Jimmy_James Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I wanna know that as well but it could be tomorrow or later... nobody knows what they discussed at the meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warisuponyou Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I haven't been around the forums for any of the other major updates, so maybe someone more senior can say if people just generally complain no matter what (cuz, you know...the internet) or if these changes are all that much more drastic than any of the other experimental builds we've had? I've played since A9, and its been a long and fantastic ride. TFP haven't let me down so far and this build has only been out a few days, so I'm trying to stay optimistic about the changes. I do wonder though if it would have made any difference to introduce some of these things incrementally over the last 12 months instead of all in one go? I'm sure there are reasons; i'm just curious if the discussion would be the same had there been some more time for feedback and testing and such... just food for thought... Thanks TFP for all the hard work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Edit: Almost forgot. Player bags need to stay around a bit longer. Died 10 in game minutes before night and my bag went poof at 5:20AM the next morning. There was zero chance I was getting that bag back. We are upping that. I think x3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iejen Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 We are upping that. I think x3. Will this be the same for loot bags? Z's dropped 2 loot bags during BM but was impossible for me to collect them and survive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 No, it's not. If you want to level up at least 1lv per day, especially in early game, you only can do that properly by killing zeds. Harvesting end other activities give you little XP (not enough to gain 1level/day), but the easiest zed gives 700 XP per kill, so if you want to construct better things and obtain best gear you have to focus on killing first till you have enough level to made quality level goods. That’s an inversion of logic! In the beginning we are weak, so killing zombies should not be the first/best option to level up. Like I've said before. This is not done. We are still playing and doing a lot of balancing. Zombie xp is coming down and other xp up. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARGEAN Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I think that the current weapon level system is more "real life oriented". And I like it. I mean, a single bullet of an AK47 will do the same damage if the rifle is old or brand new. A brand new weapon tho gives you the chance to attach more gadgets, like silencers, lights... > MODS Eh... Wrong. Shifted chamber will get worse case obturation, worn off barrell will give you gas leaking and faulted spinnage. This all will lead to less stable and slower bullet, which often will lead to lesser damage (taking aside lucky bounces of jacketed bullet performing like hollow point). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damocles Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 We are upping that. I think x3. Why not have them stay there indefinitely in a singleplayer game? Or as option in multiplayer. Thats not really a resource hog. Even having an option to not despawn anything manually dropped... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odetta Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 We are upping that. I think x3. Does that include zombie loot bags? Also, why is there a wind meter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boldero Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I want to find nice goodies as much as the next person, but it should be better and better damage, accuracy, range, silencing, reloading, ammo capacity and aiming type mods, so the slots matter and finding/comparing mods is fun. Shame you cant use them til endgame then isnt it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcalvelli Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I'm also a big fan of the survival and building aspects of the game and would normally try to skill zombies with traps rather than character weapons. I liked to build big tunnel systems underground but I didn't like how much xp breaking blocks would give especially after you get an auger and a good supply of gas. After several server wipes in a16, I eventually branched out to more of a nomad play style and started to enjoy other aspects of the game. 7DtD can be played a lot of ways and I am really glad there are so many modders that will tweak the game for different play styles. I can't wait to see all the mods for stable a17! Your comment above gave me an idea for a mod where the player levels up based on number of days survived rather than the amount of stuff you kill or build. That would be an interesting take on survival and would slow the progression down. The idea would be that the player gets 1 level's worth of xp per in-game day plus a multiplier for consecutive days survived (with diminishing returns). That would be a mod I'd definitely play! I like your idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam_Neill Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 This A17 is giving me a blast. First - at the streamers weekend - i saw some streams and thought: omg, you need 100s of arrows to kill zombies. But after starting playing for myself, i adjusted my playstyle. In earlier versions i was tempted to kill each zombie as i saw it. In A17 i tend to sneak around, looking to avoid zombies if i can get past them without them seeing me. I look at POIs with more respect (can i start getting in there ? Am i prepared enough for the battle?). Even POIs can be cleared easy (the ones without ferals though). I tend to crouch in there, so i do not wake up all zombies, and then i will take them down, one after the other. With luck and patience you pull one zombie , and then after that one is down you get the next one. With 1 level of archery and one level of headshot and the use of iron arrows its usually 2 hits - The first one crouched gives a 2 or 2,5 multiplier for damage, and the second arrow kills them. My strategy for A17 is: Playing Rambo gets penalized, not taking precautions gets penalized - and remember: The goal is surviving, that does not mean you have to kill each particular zombie you see. The game transformed: Instead Shoot and loot and build you have now another option: being sneaky. And after some skill points/perks you have a dozen more options choosing your playstyle. And all this makes me very happy. Edit: Most comments in this section are like that: Please make A17 like A16 was, but better, change the game, TFP, please make improvements, but dont change anything im used to. I would say: Get used to a new play style, try different things/skills/perks/tactics. Edit 2: correcting orthographic error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcalvelli Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Like I've said before. This is not done. We are still playing and doing a lot of balancing. Zombie xp is coming down and other xp up. I think. Thank you, Faatal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I just watched my first lets play of the new alpha 17 experiment and just wish to ask if somebody could answer a few things for me. Has zombie hit points been massively boosted ? I get the feel the zombies are now just "bullet sponges" and what is up with the no more loot from dead zombies ? I am slightly worried that the game is now going to be only for groups of players or really good players. No, but I think guns are too weak. We might be increasing their damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_James Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 This A17 is giving me a blast. First - at the streamers weekend - i saw some streams and thought: omg, you need 100s of arrows to kill zombies. But after starting playing for myself, i adjusted my playstyle. In earlier versions i was tempted to kill each zombie as i saw it. In A17 i tend to sneak around, looking to avoid zombies if i can get past them without them seeing me. I look at POIs with more respect (can i start getting in there ? Am i prepared enough for the battle?). Even POIs can be cleared easy (the ones without ferals though). I tend to crouch in there, so i do ot wake up all zombies, and then i will take them down, one after the other. With luck and patience you pull one zombie , and then after that one is down you get the next one. With 1 level of archery and one level of headshot and the use of iron arrows its usually 2 hits - The first one crouched gives a 2 or 2,5 multiplier for damage, and the second arrow kills them. My strategy for A17 is: Playing Rambo gets penalized, not taking precautions gets penalized - and remember: The goal is surviving, that does not mean you have to kill each particular zombie you see. The game transformed: Instead Shoot and loot and build you have now another option: being sneaky. And after some skill points/perks you have a dozen more options choosing your playstyle. And all this makes me very happy. 100% agree and I do it the same way... maybe because we are both Germans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 The gun part system did that too. As your gun got better it did more damage and etc. Once again, why can't this mod system be coupled with the gun part system? Here's an idea, why not have the gun part system but you can still find fully assembled guns? Just make guns much rarer. This way is a nice middle ground. Because atm... What's the point of looting? If you play the game and don't loot anything, I think it would be pretty hard. My next game I'm playing on 50% loot as a test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_James Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 If you play the game and don't loot anything, I think it would be pretty hard. My next game I'm playing on 50% loot as a test. Do 25%... You won’t feel 50% as a big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Wonder if adding a few more options in the Game Options -> Block Durability might be a win? Right now it offers 25, 50, 100 & 200% (I think). Add in 125, 150, 175. Heck maybe even 225, 250. This is coming from dev comments on what the Difficulty changes, which I think was just Damage Player does & Damage Z's do to Players. Point would be, maybe, that those that like to build early on would have a pretty focused option to make that a bit more doable, and could notch it back to keep the pressure on. Just a thought Edit: damn it. I wouldn't want this to effect boulders, dirt, etc., and I have no idea if it does or not... I actually like that idea. It would be awesome to have a skill perk or two that you can put points in to do something to your base to increase durability. I'm not sure how it would be done, it makes my head hurt thinking about it .... but that would be an awesome skill. Edit: and after rereading, that wasn't what was meant by the original poster. But I still like my idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Any news on if we might get a new build today? I know bugs prevented yesterday but hopefully today. The nasty bugs from yesterday are probably fixed. b207 is being built. Testers will determine where we are at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lug Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 The gun part system did that too. As your gun got better it did more damage and etc. Once again, why can't this mod system be coupled with the gun part system? Here's an idea, why not have the gun part system but you can still find fully assembled guns? Just make guns much rarer. This way is a nice middle ground. Because atm... What's the point of looting? uhm, the point atm is simply experimental play with bug reporting to assist development. ATM apologies for the knee jerk. of course your feedback on how the game plays atm is at least as important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gampbler Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 When the game is really flowing for me, I'm not even aware of what my XP is and I'm kind of lost in the moment and not grinding away. I think the balance will come and I've definitely had more moments of this than not so far in A17E. As for the abundance of guns, is it so strange? Of the 393 million guns in the US, I think we can expect quite a few out and about if the population is vastly reduced (say a few hundred thousand) in the scenario of the game. I would think most people would have hundreds of guns eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Shame you cant use them til endgame then isnt it... What is with the attitude? Did you look into the future and see how it will end up? If you can't wait that long, feel free to change the values in the xml files to exactly what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrjohn1337 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 You talked to a hundred people then and have a percent for me? I've seen a similar amount of people both for and against it, but that is a small sample size, so I don't claim to know the public's opinion, only my own. I'd rather have mods make the guns more effective and varied. Ammo the limiter of constant use. I also don't make these decisions. Owners/designers do. I just make stuff work. I have an opinion and voice it sometimes, but game companies are generally not democracies. Typically the employees who care about a feature and have an opinion may voice it and decision maker(s) may or may not listen to it or themselves or the public. Before my employment here, as simply a player of A14-A16, I thought it made no sense, since I'm a gun owner and I don't have parts lying around. If I did, then almost none of these parts are interchangeable even across the same gun type, since different manufacturers have different specs on all these parts (AR15 a possible exception). In the end, I did not feel the need to complain to the world. I said whatever and kept on having fun as I absurdly filled my weapons chest with useless gun parts. Theres actually a poll made by a player in the general forum, when i checked it there was around 150 answers. I think the loot part was around 45% in fayvor of the old system. I dont think the new system is bad, not at all. I would like to have a mix of both, keeping the gun parts (perhaps toggable?) and im loving the mod system. The biggest thing for me with the gun parts was that you could slowly add small upgrades until you capped ql or near cap which for me added a sense of progression and actually got attached to some guns since i worked on the same pistol for ex from ql 200 to 500ish+. We now have a factory and it wouldnt be impossible for shotgun messiah to have a shop in the back where they repaired weapons and it got looted and such the parts got spread out. In 16.x you could find complete guns and just scrap the parts, in 17.x (as of now atleast) you only find complete guns and cant really do anything with them until lvl30ish or something? Anyhow, the reply is getting to long and i want to go back to my base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skykemn Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Theres actually a poll made by a player in the general forum, when i checked it there was around 150 answers. I think the loot part was around 45% in fayvor of the old system. I dont think the new system is bad, not at all. I would like to have a mix of both, keeping the gun parts (perhaps toggable?) and im loving the mod system. The biggest thing for me with the gun parts was that you could slowly add small upgrades until you capped ql or near cap which for me added a sense of progression and actually got attached to some guns since i worked on the same pistol for ex from ql 200 to 500ish+. We now have a factory and it wouldnt be impossible for shotgun messiah to have a shop in the back where they repaired weapons and it got looted and such the parts got spread out. In 16.x you could find complete guns and just scrap the parts, in 17.x (as of now atleast) you only find complete guns and cant really do anything with them until lvl30ish or something? Anyhow, the reply is getting to long and i want to go back to my base. Well the problem with forum polls regarding this kind of thing is that on the forum you will allways find a lot of people complaing probably even the 45% for the change came to the forums to complaing about something and ended up seeing and voting in the poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I just watched my first lets play of the new alpha 17 experiment and just wish to ask if somebody could answer a few things for me. Has zombie hit points been massively boosted ? I get the feel the zombies are now just "bullet sponges" and what is up with the no more loot from dead zombies ? I am slightly worried that the game is now going to be only for groups of players or really good players. Okay ... I am NOT a "really good player" ... I am spastic, I can't aim worth poop, and if i get ambushed I tend to run exactly the WRONG way ... and into or off of something. That being said ... depending on the settings you're playing on ... this game is okay for a less than optimal player. You have to remember though, things are a bit different, so you try around until you find a play style that works for you. Also ... sneaking is your friend. That first 2.5x sneak bonus is essential ... and you can snipe them with a bow and wake one sleeper instead of the whole house. For the GOOD players ... they're racking them up. For me, I'm mostly alive, and enjoying myself. I have to figure out what has changed with the building system though, because my build just collapsed when (in my opinion) it should have had more than enough support. As for "bullet sponges" ... guns don't do as much damage off the bat. I don't really play with them on this version, because they are very loud, and noises really do attract trouble and 2) ammo is such a pain in the rear end. I love the bow ... decent damage, you can perk that up relatively quickly for the first levels ... it's silent, the ammo is relatively easy to find and make. Later I will likely go to one of the modded guns ... but for now I love the bow. OH! And something I LOVE and forgot to mention ... when you sell your guns to the trader, it automatically unloads them and gives you back the ammo!!! No more manually unloading them before you sell them ... LOVE it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 The mod system IS the parts system. I don't see any real difference in terms of gameplay. Purple spring = Faster firing rate. ...that kind of thing. Once they finish making the weapon mods, it'll be more noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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