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The quest system might have a slight problem: Since you have to go to a trader for quest AND reward A17 will push players even more into setting themselves up near a trader.

 

Sure, it never is a bad idea to have a trader near you, but this is really stacking a lot of incentive on your choice of location (if you are using bases).

 

This supposes that traders don't run out of quests, I might be wrong there. But if not, maybe a quests 2.0 should make getting the reward independent of the traders.

 

You don't have to do quests but it seems to be worth it. HOWEVER.... it can be a lethal distraction as I've found myself loving the quests so much I don't work on a base and then its too late come horde day and my base fails. Time management is always a thing in this game.

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Popped in again to say: my friend and I died multiple times in our MP game yesterday to zombies, bears, wolves, dogs, gravity, and each other. And we're loving it. Also (something I forgot to mention in previous posts) I'm really enjoying the new textures, the window sills, the gutters, and trellis panels - not something I criticised on being announced, but it's weird how much they improve the feel of moving around the world.

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We disabled it (at least I think we did) because generation of a 16k map was either stalling out or maybe takes longer than we were willing to wait to see (+1 hour)

 

How about a 12k option?, should be noticibly bigger than 8k but hopefully avoid issues with the size of 16k?

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We shouldn't have to lower our resolution to fix something you haven't done or don't want to do. I've tried lowering my resolution and guess what? Not only was everything really blurry, but I gained very little fps. This is not a fix.

 

Its a viable workaround for some people. We are working on optimizations.

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Please excuse my ignorance but I've never had to lower the resolution for a game to run better (I've been lucky that way) so I'd just like to clarify for my own peace of mind...

 

1. Should 1920x1080 be dropped to 1280x720? I think that sounds right.

2. Should this be done via the desktop before starting the game AND set in the game to match?

 

Thanks to anyone that can assist.

 

If you're running 1080p aka 1920 x 1080 then you're at a 16:9 aspect ratio. Meaning there should be a 1600 x 900 16:9 as well.

Generally if you keep to the monitors default aspect ratio then the monitors hardware will be able to easily expand into it's physically larger space.

Meaning you shouldn't need to change your desktop down. Leave it as is and just lower the size for the game in the starting Options -> Video settings.

Hope that helps.

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^ That is incredibly good news, looking forward to it!

 

 

 

That certainly may be it. But I'd feel better if someone could confirm that they are using more than ~3.9 GB of ram.

 

After my post I teleported around about 10 times, all over the map, and still couldn't get ram above ~3.7. Not sure what else to try...?

 

Map 8kmx8km using 4,6 GB of Ram currently

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We honestly don't know what it will take to stop the hordes. Obviously a combination of traps, bullets and base design. I plan on playing a lot of hours this build and get a good grasp on the late game feel and balance. A16 was end game at day 30 or less for me, I built that huge castle and was bored after that because any old roof top was safe.

 

Will there be a stream then, matey? ;)

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Depends. Zombies can walk through spikes and survive. Depends on their move speed, angles they touch them, and if they jumped.

 

It is impossible to say I know nothing was there if you can't see what is there. I started a new game tonight and have cleared the upper floors of this pig house (don't know this POI name), so those volumes are clear, but I never cleared the whole basement. When I get back down there, it will have spawns somewhere, since I know I left at least one boar.

 

The barn across the street I cleared, except for 3 ferals in the upper section with the loot. I aggroed them twice, but died both times. Third time I pulled them from ledge where they could not get me and they fell off. Got the loot and then was able to kill with arrows from above, then used melee on the last one. Each time I returned to those ferals, they were in different spots, but the same ones. No other zombies have spawned in the barn since I cleared the lower sections.

 

I will be using the barn for my 7th day base. Made of wood, so it will probably get trashed, but there is a sturdy looking silo next to it, so maybe will retreat to that as the barn gets weak. Could ring the silo with spikes.

 

It will take logging of all the types of spawns to determine why different situations happen. I need to expand that, so every spawn case is represented in the logs and in a clear format. Then we should be able to see what is really going on.

 

Ah, that makes sense. I did leave one opening where a door was with only a spike in front of the entrance.

 

I'm about to start my first horde night. I've decided to try a new tactic. I've built a platform on the top of a couple big boulders and bridged them together, connected that bridge system to the top of the POI I'm using as my makeshift base. Very litle build time by using the terrain to my advantage (or my demise)... All frames and upgraded in all the right places. This extra time allowed more time to make a sea of spikes under the platforms and along the path about 6-7 deep on all sides. I'm interested to see how it holds up. Definitely helps I found an AK, hunting rifle, SMG, and an RPG with two types of ammo (thank you treasure hunt!). Also bought some NVGs from the trader to see better. Wish me luck!

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If you're running 1080p aka 1920 x 1080 then you're at a 16:9 aspect ratio. Meaning there should be a 1600 x 900 16:9 as well.

Generally if you keep to the monitors default aspect ratio then the monitors hardware will be able to easily expand into it's physically larger space.

Meaning you shouldn't need to change your desktop down. Leave it as is and just lower the size for the game in the starting Options -> Video settings.

Hope that helps.

 

It does help. Thank you kindly.

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Fine, but why lock the map for servers to a size that is 137 sq. km smaller than A16's default. There are plenty of servers that consistently have 50 players online. And a 64 sq. km map will not do. Why take away options like that?

 

When 20 people complain, there are a ton more that are silent. So, did anyone complain the map is too big in A16? How many people said "We want a tiny map"? Pretty much the only good thing about this game is the ability to mod it. Every wonder why there are so many mods for the game?

 

"We are not building a house for one person, but for millions with a million opinions and in the end we do what seems best." No, there are not a million options. This build takes away tons of options.. And if you think millions of people play this game multiplayer, I have news for you. lol

 

By limiting the size of the map, you are doing nothing but pissing off a good chunk of your player base. Why? What's the point of that? A decent server computer had NO problem running the large maps of A16. My server computer could even run perfectly with maps that where over 300 sq. km. So.. limiting us to 64 sq. km serves what purpose?

 

Why put a high population server online with an experimental release, where the features may be currently locked because they're not working quite yet but will be when they fix it?

 

...the world may never know.

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Could it be possible to spawn items with random mods already attached? This will definitely add a variety.

 

On the subject of mods, one thing would be awesome is a way to see all available mods that apply to the specific item.

 

Its supposed to be implemented that way but I've yet to find any guns with installed mods yet.

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Come to think of it, I've only found 1 mod in ~15 hour of game-play. Maybe they are too powerful for early game? Have you considered giving the mods a quality level and making them more abundant early game? Just a thought.

 

They are in the good loot but are supposed to be kind of rare. I'm level 45 and have found around 5 mods.

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Really -low- RAM use??

 

Just noticed that 7DaysToDie.exe is only using 3.5 GBs. wth? I know w 16.4 mods it would use 9 GB +.

 

Running Win7 64bit, the 7dtd Launcher has a button to change to 32-bit. Did all the steps for a clean install of A17e, so -should- be 64-bit...

 

Log has this; "INF Version: Alpha 17 (b199) Compatibility Version: Alpha 17, Build: Windows 64 Bit". So looks like it's running the 64-bit game.

 

That ~3.5 GB RAM peak usage makes me wonder if it got complied w/for 32-bit memory?

 

If so.., well, don't want to jump to any conclusions or get hopes up, but that would certainly hit the performance :) Anyone seeing more than 4 GBs ram usage?

No we have texture streaming so enjoy. We have optimized memory, but cpu and gpu, and tons of other stuff needs improved yet.

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Unfortunately it does not change the percentage of zombies within the POIs as they still contain a LOT of zombies. I roughly kill around 20 zombies each POI and as a solo player and while its great for XP, its not so great that is all I can do, until I get killed when a zombie or vulture literally spawns behind or above me.

 

With alpha 17 it has changed it greatly from a MP or SP to now geared towards MP, which makes it a lot tougher for solo players.

 

+1

I am playing in "hardcore" (death = deletion of the file) in solo, and oh my god this is way harder than before. I am playing really safe, I usualy don't search for zombies and try to avoid vultures but before the 7th night, I had already 212 kills. There are a lot of vultures and they are reallt annoying.

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