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Several devs read these posts. Just because you don't like something does not mean we are going to change it. We have many testers who give us feedback every day and we play the game too. Generally, we do what seems best to us to make a successful game. Everyone has an opinion. My opinion is it is fine the way it is. We may change our minds as we experiment with the experimental. That is the development process.

 

love you man. you are obviously very good at what you do. the changes you have done have me on the edge of my chair with panic and exitement.

but...

some choices that have been made are straight wack.

the only one i am not willing to roll on is the toggle run on the controller being removed. it physically hurts the thumb. no kidding. and removes any chance of combat finesse. we play for hours and hours ar a stretch. get the twits who made the decision to play for 4 hrs with a controller and ask how their left thumb is.

this is the one and only thing that ruins the game for me. if it isnt fixed i will not be able to continue to play.

 

seems like many others also dont like this change.

 

roland - is this a candidate for a poll?

how many use controllers and of those who want left stick toggle run vs numb thumb9

at the same time left click vs right click for the mouse users.

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@madmole

 

Great update. The experience is definitely more slowpaced, reminds me of world of warcraft classic and don't starve in a lot of ways.

Me and my friend (we're devs too, hey! :fat:) has spent a good 34 hours with the game already and has some feedback and bugreporting.

 

I noticed a few bugs they'll be coming your way here since I cannot find bugreport section (might just be me being overly tired from kid not sleeping this night caused by croup cough debuff (insert cold timer here):

 

Bleeding always appear by getting hit from certain angles, definitely isn't RNG from certain angles - is this intentional perhaps?

Bleeding debuff is still active if you die and have bleeding debuff.

 

the reaper debuff is way to harsh for levels 1-10. Especially since your deaths are very inconsistent and can be caused by bugs.

Proposed Reaper debuff effect:

First time you die, reaper debuff is only active for 1min - second time 5min, third time 10min etc. At a maximum of 60min.

Each minute you spend alive equals 1 second less to the reaper debuff timer. (if you spend 30min alive and are currently at debuff level 2, it'll only last for 4min 30seconds if you die).

 

insane difficulty needs an adjustment. Zombies should still do the same amount of damage but should only be able to take hits equal to normal difficulty. Don't increase spawnrate of more difficult zombies at lower levels just because it's insane difficulty, this creates inconsistency.

 

IMO - forge should be achieved at level 10 or 15, why?

If this is supposed to be a game where you choose what you want to do, you shouldn't need to spend hours doing melee on zombies (insert melee'ing zombies for 2+ hours straight like everyone does, player agency? anyone?) before you can start crafting better tools. It feels inconsistent and very restrictive.

 

Moon light at night is very inconsistent, it goes from pitch black to daylight'esque in matter of milliseconds some nights.

Moon doesn't have a proper skybox implementation.

 

Deserts are way to harsh, ponchos barely protects you from heat.

The amount of water you have to drink in desert is way to much, especielly on difficulties ranging from easy-normal.

 

Crafted gear doesn't appear in your bag. You have to manually unequip gear first before you craft more for them to appear, they will appear on your character instead of your inventory, too.

 

Zombies searching for you on your last known location should cover a larger searching area. As it is right now they mindlessly stand at your last known location and looks too static.

Zombie waves should be less and more far between. At the moment you can almost see them spawn in and then they run at your location - or close to it, looking like a train of bodies.

 

stealth system need to sync faster, the sound detection has too long delay. Ex: You sit down, you're at 1-2 stealth, you jump and it - logically - increases to 30-50, as soon as the sound disappears it should go back to 1-2 stealth but it takes a couple of seconds. It's almost as if other scripts are queued before, why? Pasta is good in food, not code. :cocksure:

 

Mashing mouse-leftclick & rightclick will queue attacks, it feels inconsistent for some (not me, I liked to learn how to play around it) - is this intentional?

 

I'll come up with more as I go, the list is longer but Im running out of brainjuice.

 

 

Again, thanks TFP for making an awesome experience!

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love you man. you are obviously very good at what you do. the changes you have done have me on the edge of my chair with panic and exitement.

but...

some choices that have been made are straight wack.

the only one i am not willing to roll on is the toggle run on the controller being removed. it physically hurts the thumb. no kidding. and removes any chance of combat finesse. we play for hours and hours ar a stretch. get the twits who made the decision to play for 4 hrs with a controller and ask how their left thumb is.

this is the one and only thing that ruins the game for me. if it isnt fixed i will not be able to continue to play.

 

seems like many others also dont like this change.

 

roland - is this a candidate for a poll?

how many use controllers and of those who want left stick toggle run vs numb thumb9

at the same time left click vs right click for the mouse users.

I don't think there was any intentional change to controllers but thats not my area of expertise.

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There are so many POIs now I think it will take 100 hours just to get through them all, and probably 500 to 1000 hours just to see them all. It is scary. If I hear certain zeds lurking I might just turn around and leave or start taking barbed wire to slow them down, ferals in loot rooms are the death of me. I'm slowly figuring out strategies to deal with everything and that is so awesome. Yeah I die a lot but I know it can be overcome with the right strategy and patience.

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The worst feeling I've had so far(in a good way, albeit in hindsight only;) is one time I thought I had a POI cleared, on my way to leave one popped up, then another behind me, freaked and took an alternate way "out" just to end up going deeper, and deeper... room after room my problem exponentially accelerated to ever increasing levels of certain death. I must've had a dozen+ Z on my tail by the time I finally came to a bloody screaming halt. I have never died so fast and without question. This is a new game.

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My apologies I didn't even think about that, though I don't even know how to do the spoiler shield but I will look into that now and even though it's already too late I will edit it to add it if I can figure out how to do it, check back to edit your post.

 

No biggie, like Madmole said there are many, many POIs. You just had a ton of specific detail and I JUST left that place and was about to casually stroll back into it. I doubt you meant it, I dunno how to set the spoiler shield either, but I'll look into it if/when I ever get into that much detail about one particular POI. I've had plenty of pants pissing in the little bit of map/POIs I've seen thus far, so I'll go with the silver lining on this one and be a well prepared boy scout when I return. Sounds like a great first use of the AK I just got from a drop...

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I love A17. Most of the decisions were overall positives and the game is actually hard and fun to play again.

 

There are 2 issues I have though:

 

1. Performance, but that will come in future patches im guessing.

 

2. RWG seems to have lost some of its magic. It seems that as if every RWG has Cold in the north, forest/burn/wastes in the middle and desert in the south.

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I've been screaming this and I think the release notes say it too. Lower your damn resolution, the game still looks great and you can triple your FPS.

 

With all due respect, in many cases, even with a lowered resolution, the FPS is still too low to be comfortable.

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Roland or Madmole or someone could you please delete all posts and follow up posts in reference to the Cultists house.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

***Content deleted because the post was a unintentional spoiler and after being talked to about it and looking into it I don't know how to hide it with the spoiler shield.

 

I think you just fixed it yourself mostly, again no worries, I'm more than happy to go get me some goodies and know to be ready for something in that place.

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I just had a zombie spawn inside of a Working Stiff store I am living on and have my bed spawned on... No way he got inside as the entire thing is surrounded by spikes (had to injure myself to get him). In Navesgane day 6 and this is the first incident. Is this a known issue or should I report?

 

Thanks!

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What is this The Ring? Do we die 7 Days after we play the game?? ♥♥♥♥ I only got a few days left...so what happens the game will launch even with my computer turned off and zombies come out of the screen and kill me now??

 

I told them to add it to the notes, because you will die. It may take some time, but invariably, somewhere and somehow they will get you.

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Several devs read these posts. Just because you don't like something does not mean we are going to change it. We have many testers who give us feedback every day and we play the game too. Generally, we do what seems best to us to make a successful game. Everyone has an opinion. My opinion is it is fine the way it is. We may change our minds as we experiment with the experimental. That is the development process.

 

Sure, but at the same time, you are making a game for the people that play it, not for you. If you only do what you think is good, and ignore the player base, you won't have a player base much longer. It's the same for any company. Ignoring what your customers are telling you is a surefire way to go out of business. Source: Over 10+ years running a successful business. And also, my friends that own successful businesses in other areas than mine say the same thing.

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Xeen, I have never had a more satisfying moment from a gleefully tossed molotov, it was perfect for that. Thanks to you I finally went home and crafted some. Wrapping things up with my AK was just icing on the firey cake. So that went from "damnit" to "awwww yeah" in realtime.

 

Great way to end the night, hope you all have good fam time tomorrow and get some A17 hours in after your food-coma nap.

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RWG seems to have lost some of its magic. It seems that as if every RWG has Cold in the north, forest/burn/wastes in the middle and desert in the south.

I have to agree but I hope they aren't done making changes to it. Seems like random gen pretty mest up right now anyway, I can't come up with any decent seeds. All the maps I generate either have roads with no POIs, or towns with no roads, and even maps that turn out ok have no cities or large buildings. Really wish they would bring back hub cities :(

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