faatal Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 How does the system of zombies reacting to light/sound work? Do they still react to sounds/light even when you're several blocks underground? I understand that the developers don't want everyone to just dig down to bedrock and place a base there anymore, but it seems a bit immersion breaking to have zombies be able to hear you that far down... or to have zombies be able to see/hear you while high up in a tall building with many walls/floors between you and the outside. Some clarification on this functionality would be nice There is no sound occlusion. There is some old code that did that, but it is disabled. Probably because it was a big performance hit. If we get performance back in other areas, we might be able to add occlusion back someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam_Neill Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I get pretty decent graphics with my second system, hosting my own game on the same machine: AMD FX 8350 AMD R9 Fury Nano 16 GB RAM Operating System: Ubuntu Mate Resolution 1920x1080 FPS outside 35-40 min Ingame its less blurry - dont know what the Issue is with Attachments. Maybe i will do some more testing with a dedicated server, but the performance is pretty the same as 16.4. At least for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 AI pathing is better in A17e, but I've noticed it's not perfect. Is the AI pathing only improved for bloodmoon hordes, or should it be applied to all zombies? If it should be applied to all I might need to make a post in the bug thread as I had a zombie start hitting a wall to go through it, but there was already a doorway right next to the wall it decided needed to go. It is the same pathing system in all circumstances. BM is not different. Pathing depends on costs. Distance is a cost. Breaking blocks is a cost (health and downgrade health). Doors have a decreased cost, so they will prefer them, but not to the point they will bash a strong door over a weak block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Why would a sound made 30ft from me where the arrow hits affect my stealth meter? (I haven't been following this discussion closely so sorry if this question is silly in context.) It doesn't make sense to me either. Legacy stuff. Lots of stuff we can improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rennn Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I am extremely sad that I had to uninstall alpha 17 because of the lack of a run-toggle option for controller users. Please understand that it hurts to hold down that particular button--I am using an official xbox one controller. It is difficult to keep pressed down to the point where it is painful/requires shifting my hand so my palm presses it instead of my thumb (which disallows use of other buttons). Maybe this is because my hands are small because I am female, but this truly makes the game unplayable. I play 7 Days to Die on PC. I am a PC gamer that HAS to use a controller because of disability. I saw other people in this thread mention this same problem to no avail. Without being able to reassign the run button, or switch on a toggle option, Alpha 17 is unplayable. I can't run from zombies. I love 7 Days to Die and want to be able to play with everyone else despite my disability. I always research what games have controller support before buying them, as mapping with external programs is not the same. To me, such a huge quality of life issue for controller users does not qualify as the "full controller support" the game lists on steam. This may sound like whining to some, but I would not be wasting my time signing up to the forum and making this post if 1. This issue didn't truly impact me enough to make the game unplayable 2. I didn't want to continue loving and playing the game. Thanks for reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I really struggled with the fps and motion sickness when I started A17. I usually do not run Vsync but had to turn it on to get rid of the motion sickness feeling. Unfortunately 15 fps was all I could get and 10 in buildings. Kinda a sucked. However using the Geforce experience program to "optimize" my settings it recommended lowering my resolution (1920 x 1060 I think). I did so fearing I would lose quality (I play on a 70" screen). Not only did I not notice any difference in graphics (game looks amazing btw) but my fps jumped to 30 even in buildings) On top of that I decided to turn of Vsync after changing the resolution and BAM! my fps jumped to 60 or better on average with almost all other settings on Max (Geforce 1060, i5 and 16GB Ram) I was considering attempting to overclock but don't see the need to try it now. Hope this helps anyone struggling with fps drop. That is standard 1080p HD res you have there. I am currently running at 1440p windowed on a 4k monitor and possibly going to 1080p would help me a lot. Resolution could be a big issue for many people. The game does do a lot of overdraw especially indoors. We are working on an occlusion system, but in a dynamic voxel world, it ain't easy. Static world 3d games have the advantage of being able to come with precomputed culling data to not draw a lot of what you would not see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 yeah i love how are people here who think having having more fps in crysis 3 on ultra in 4k than in 7 days to die is fine just disable shadows that will do it while the game freezes everytime you step in a poi Voxels vs static world. Apples to oranges comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomaana Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 It doesn't make sense to me either. Legacy stuff. Lots of stuff we can improve. Ah. I can understand that. I just thought you meant that was the intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Zombie AI is definitely improved, but the conga line grouping still exist. If zombies spread out when going after you they would be a much bigger threat. They are spread when spawned, but shortest distance is a straight line, so they converge as they see you and close in. Since you can easily out maneuver walkers, even if they were fanned out in a 180 in front of you, it might look nicer, but would not be harder. Hit, retreat, repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 That won't change until movement speeds are randomized... No matter the spread, if they are heading to a singular place, you, they will eventually conga. Yes, speed in something I'd like to randomize. Too many things to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muriel Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Pathing depends on costs. Distance is a cost. Breaking blocks is a cost (health and downgrade health). Doors have a decreased cost, so they will prefer them, but not to the point they will bash a strong door over a weak block. Actually, there was just a doorway, not a door (just an opening in a wall where a door could normally fit, but there was no door there). So there was basically this: - - - - - - - - Z - - - x x X - x x - - - - - - - - - - P - Where the Z was hitting the wall (X) between me (P) and him, where he could have just walked through the opening to the left of him. After he destroyed one of the wall blocks I could get a clear shot at him, and when it hit he proceeded to walk through the doorway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomaana Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I am extremely sad that I had to uninstall alpha 17 because of the lack of a run-toggle option for controller users. Please understand that it hurts to hold down that particular button--I am using an official xbox one controller. It is difficult to keep pressed down to the point where it is painful/requires shifting my hand so my palm presses it instead of my thumb (which disallows use of other buttons). Maybe this is because my hands are small because I am female, but this truly makes the game unplayable. I play 7 Days to Die on PC. I am a PC gamer that HAS to use a controller because of disability. I saw other people in this thread mention this same problem to no avail. Without being able to reassign the run button, or switch on a toggle option, Alpha 17 is unplayable. I can't run from zombies. I love 7 Days to Die and want to be able to play with everyone else despite my disability. I always research what games have controller support before buying them, as mapping with external programs is not the same. To me, such a huge quality of life issue for controller users does not qualify as the "full controller support" the game lists on steam. This may sound like whining to some, but I would not be wasting my time signing up to the forum and making this post if 1. This issue didn't truly impact me enough to make the game unplayable 2. I didn't want to continue loving and playing the game. Thanks for reading. So, you uninstalled because they haven't fixed an issue before they put out the first patch to experimental? Did you expect them to wiggle their ears and the current build everyone already has installed just magically starts playing differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Which is why all of these posts complaining about FPS without providing complete hardware specs and video settings are mostly useless. You got one guy running a 1080 complaining about performance but fails to mention he's running the game at 4k. You got another guy running the game on a laptop that's not plugged in. And another guy running the game on a 5400rpm hard drive. Based on the amount of posts there are obviously some FPS issues but it may be hard for the devs to isolate those problems without complete information. Indeed. The varieties of PC hardware and software combined with game settings is....a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captnrex Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 gotta say I rather hate that HOUR long debuff when you die also gotta say the runners in the basements have a lot of health specially for someone just starting a game, even when I put down some wood blocks to block them a bit and had a shotgun they still tore through the barrier and killed me in like 4 hits while stunned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 With 120 minute days and some lucky finds at Working Stiff and a trader, by Day 3: I was at bedrock, had 50 corn growing in my garden (Navazgane, of course) Reinforced concrete starting to share the walls with the concrete and original stuff! My best game of A17 so far. I died goofing around at night, so I'm playing another Navazgane but 60 minute days as 120 is way too easy. Yeah, but did you spawn a blimp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianbluebeer Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Not sure if asked, but is the 4x4 supposed to damage the ramps on the bridges in Navezgane? Cause it does. If supposed to, then yeah, this is really gonna limit the usage of the jeep, or we're going to have to repair the bridges. (I'm gonna have to put in toll booths to raise revenue) heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themirror Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Not sure if asked, but is the 4x4 supposed to damage the ramps on the bridges in Navezgane? Cause it does. If supposed to, then yeah, this is really gonna limit the usage of the jeep, or we're going to have to repair the bridges. (I'm gonna have to put in toll booths to raise revenue) heh. try to slow down the 4x4 on the bridges, maybe it does not damage the bridge, maybe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivle Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Do you know why i cant sell pistols at trader? I have like 10 pistols but i couldnt sell any to trader. My trader had now 3 restocks, but still cant sell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisco Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 well done Just here to say thank you fun pimps. I love how hard the first days are again. Definitely missed that in the last few alphas. Graphics are nice, performance is OK, i hope you can fix the random micro freezes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phinny Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Please help with terrible blurry graphics Sorry for some reason it won't let me post a screen shot but here are my settings: DISPLAY: Resolution 1920 x 1080 (16:9) Fullscreen Yes Vsync Off Gamma 57% QUALITY: Anti-Aliasing - NO Texture Quality - Quarter UMA Texture Quality - Middle Reflection Quality - Off Reflected Shadows - NO Shadows Distance - Off Water Quality - High Water Particles - 0% View Distance - Medium LOD Distance 40% Tree Quality - Middle Grass Distance - Normal Motion Blurr - Off SSAD - NO Depth of Field - NO Sunshafts - NO Also my FPS is a lot less than A16, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated:smile-new: Sorry to repost but I need someone to help me with really bad graphics everything is blurry blobs, like a bad water coloring, can I get some suggestions for changes to my settings? Please and Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExeBT Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Hello, Any fixs comming to RWG?, I am getting alot of build flying, its fun when i collapse it, but i want to explore some too BTW i'm loving A17, All the news are so good, its took so long to come but i am having fun, Thanks TFP!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I was having issues both with motion sickness and low FPS. I tried to see what GeForce recommended. Didn't help. What DID help was changing the screen resolution from 1920 x 1080 (16:9) to 1366 x768 (16:9). The motion sickness aspect is gone AND my FPS is up from being under 20 to over 40+. I think the slow FPS is a huge part of the motion sickness aspect when the screen is always trying to catch up with any actions performed. Back to exploring the game in comfort �� Below 20 FPS and bad stuff starts happening. The ticking system runs at 20 updates a second, but drops down when FPS below 20, so all kinds of systems start running in slow motion and you will start seeing issues like zombies overshooting their path points and circling back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captnrex Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 to build further on my last post about the sleeper/ferals ok so I went into the barrel cellar of the one houses with the 2 sleepers(ferals?) down there, I blocked their patch with upgraded blocks (scrap iron level), and had my shotgun.... they tore through the barrier in like 5 seconds and then charged, stunned and killed me, all the while im shooting them with a shotgun.... what the hell. I even showed my roommate and he said the same lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akram22 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Have you purchased stealth perks? As a basic character you are not going to be able to not wake all nearby zombies. NO, the stealth is pretty good iam not talking about me getting discovered , after I get every one out and finish the massive horde inside single poi the outside zombies start lurking around me one by one , each one I get will spawn another THAT one will hear me and come my way , and soo on, until I die or the spawn comes too late to assign me as a target , stealth away is a solution I know but I will leave the poi before I finish , such as the trader missions when I activate the quest all the sleepers will wake up (except a few) LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Deluxe Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I waited very happy for A17 i stated 7D2D allways as best game that exists Understand that and see it in kontext when i say "If i could not mod it i would now deinstall it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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