DaVegaNL Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Check out our new perception attribute and its perks! Thanks for the video! I liked some of the ideas regarding the higher levels of some perks (crippling etc.). Would have liked to see them though. Overall.. most perks shown increased damage and decreased reload speed. Not very.. new, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVegaNL Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I doubt they would stack, it would be too OP. Yeah I guess you're right. Was just a question which poopped into mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Also if you're only playing the game with two players total, there will be fewer zombies, so will that lack of players to fill those remaining specialization roles be okay or will the only way to succeed now and get to later-stage zombie hordes be to have players filling all the roles? DUM dum DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM! lol, will be interesting to find out!l Which remaining specialization roles? Crafting? If you don't like it, rely on loot or traders to get what you need. Killing zombies? Use your crafting-oriented skills to build more traps, explosives, other improved ammunitions like AP rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVegaNL Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Correct me if I'm wrong; at 12:16 into the video MM says "you don't do extra headshot damage until you perk into this". Does this mean headshots won't do extra damage by default? In other words; aiming for headshots is useless unless one has bought this perk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSRViper Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Correct me if I'm wrong; at 12:16 into the video MM says "you don't do extra headshot damage until you perk into this". Does this mean headshots won't do extra damage by default? In other words; aiming for headshots is useless unless one has bought this perk? I was wondering the same thing. Not an issue late game, but would make a material difference at the start with low tier weapons. And no daVega, I’m not stalking you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toores Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I know we've only seen 2 attribute trees, but when it comes to weapons, so far it strikes me that many of the perks affect the same weapon stats that will be affected by weapon mods. It's nice to synergize your perks and mods, but I'm more excited to see my character gain new capabilities than to see incremental improvements. Perks like, now you can throw your knife, now you can dual wield pistols, now you can move while aiming, now you can melee with your gun, etc. I've been thinking the same thing. Skills like "Stay Down" just increase the chance of some proc. I'd like to see perks that give me new abilities that I have to actively use. Like kick/block ability... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Hope you remember to grab some much needed down time when all is said and done. Can't wait until all these "haters" have the words taken from their mouths when they get to see just how much work has been poured into this. I have NEVER been a fan of the perks system, but man Im not going to lie you proved me wrong. You actually have me excited to character build. I'm SO happy you guys went all in on these attributes. We do expect to convert more of you guys. Hehe A perk system and a (gasp!) simplified one where you get to buy a new and useful thing every level without having to math it up and plan ahead... that surely has to be the end of the world! Of course that's gamey but it only has to work within a... well... game. The old skill system was bland and boring. There was no way to do anything interesting with it. So you got to grind out 3000 stone shovels. That is a soul-destroying task. (my lord and master wishes to acquire those souls intact, TYVM) I know that some enjoy this type of "gameplay". There are entire 7D mods built around that! No idea if that still works but rest assured that there is still Cookie Clicker out there where every click gets you further away from the start of the game! Is the "crafting game" too weak? We have (or can have) triggers for "stuff happening" when you place or repair a block. Maybe you get a Building Zen increasing XP bonus if you place or repair 20 blocks in a row. No, Toto. We're definitely not in A16 anymore. So there is now less time to profit from knocked down zombies (bonus damage) as they get up immediately. That mechanic was helpful in melee, especially when fighting a larger group of them. So what? There is no law saying that this must be "it". Maybe a knocked down zombie gets a concussion for 10 seconds and attacks more slowly, maybe a run speed reduction. One of the highest priorities right now is getting all the perks and effects in, not to balance them. (this is only competing with all the other highest priorities. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVegaNL Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I was wondering the same thing. Not an issue late game, but would make a material difference at the start with low tier weapons. And no daVega, I’m not stalking you! *Watches behind him* *Sees something ducking behind a streetlight* Hmm.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I don't think Joel has shown Int/crafting, yet, and parts of that are still blurry. Being the "crafting person" should be viable, though, if that's your jam. You can definitely craft higher tier items which have more mod slots to do fun stuff with. A likely feature is also found schematics which are one-time use and add something special to an item, like a Mining Pick Schematic with the Crunch Time mod that increases your block damage the closer you get to horde night. Sure, most everyone could use that schematic if they can craft basic iron tools (very cheap) so it's not useless... but wouldn't you want someone with a high crafting skill to do that and get a higher tier item and have it on a steel pick instead of an iron one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crater Creator Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Move over, Shark Week. Over here in the 7DtD fandom it's Perk Week. It's waaay cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSRViper Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 That’s it, I’m adding in a concussing stone axe of crippling with a +4 chance of head exploding handle! *Watches behind him* *Sees something ducking behind a streetlight* Hmm.. *Ducks back down* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazz Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I do expect to see some zany mods. Do not disappoint! =P Hell, you could have a female-only GETOUTTAMYKITCHEN buff for being close to an active campfire! (I'm so getting in trouble...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archergod Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 We do expect to convert more of you guys. Hehe A perk system and a (gasp!) simplified one where you get to buy a new and useful thing every level without having to math it up and plan ahead... that surely has to be the end of the world! Of course that's gamey but it only has to work within a... well... game. The old skill system was bland and boring. There was no way to do anything interesting with it. So you got to grind out 3000 stone shovels. That is a soul-destroying task. (my lord and master wishes to acquire those souls intact, TYVM) I know that some enjoy this type of "gameplay". There are entire 7D mods built around that! No idea if that still works but rest assured that there is still Cookie Clicker out there where every click gets you further away from the start of the game! Is the "crafting game" too weak? We have (or can have) triggers for "stuff happening" when you place or repair a block. Maybe you get a Building Zen increasing XP bonus if you place or repair 20 blocks in a row. No, Toto. We're definitely not in A16 anymore. So what? There is no law saying that this must be "it". Maybe a knocked down zombie gets a concussion for 10 seconds and attacks more slowly, maybe a run speed reduction. One of the highest priorities right now is getting all the perks and effects in, not to balance them. (this is only competing with all the other highest priorities. ) Frankly I don't care of new or old Perk system. I think a simple thing is you give some books that one can read, or turn them in paper for bullets and say if he do headshot his efficiency with sniper increase and headshot become more powerful by some percent say 0.05% or if he mine he get strength it is very low to gain but instead of 2 skill point in X and bang you are powerful is not what I want. If I do mining more I become efficient in that, but not in other part. You have that part in old system for few skills. wondering it that is the case for some now. but really love to have that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death2gnomes Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Wise words CC. Better advice never was given. Roland who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareee Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Something that struck me as odd... a perception perk increases fire rate. I can see a perception perk adjusting that run and gun reticle size (That makes perfect sense and I love that improvement!) but shouldn't a fire rate perk be in the stamina perks, nor the perception perks? Also an observation... In the past Joel has been the graphic texture guy... but now he is getting his hands dirty in the xml adjusting zombie behavior! I think they maybe get up a tad too fast now, but thats far better than them laying there for 6 or 7 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gepps Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Also an observation... In the past Joel has been the graphic texture guy... but now he is getting his hands dirty in the xml adjusting zombie behavior! Isn't Gazz the one hooking up the XML, Madmole is writing the descriptions and deciding what perks do what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareee Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Isn't Gazz the one hooking up the XML, Madmole is writing the descriptions and deciding what perks do what. He said he just changed The get timing...maybe he meant he had someone (gazz?) change it for him? Once you look at the text files though, thins are pretty easy to edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace312 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Casting the jeep. A work in progress? https://out.reddit.com/t3_9o2him?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgfycat.com%2FFearlessFluidAcornweevil&token=AQAAUYDEWxUmsaYkiYJocthQSVSaWUG90otuRW4dF2g1jQGV1JAC&app_name=mweb2x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSRViper Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 So I'm wondering - that reflection in the sniper scope looked like it was accurate to what was behind Joel. Would we be able to see entities approaching us in that reflection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archergod Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/ReliableEssentialCapeghostfrog don't want to troll, but development team might be feeling like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Roland who? Roland on the river Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaVegaNL Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Roland on the river They see me Roland, they hatin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldranon Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 So since I like to gather, ranged, and craft, looks like strength for mining/lumber jack/pack mule (25), perception for bows/rifles (20), and intelligence for crafting (40+). And that's just what little I know. Still seems like other things I'd want to grab from other trees, too. Not much of a melee fighter, so doubt I'd do much there other than skinning? Just need to see all trees. What's max level? I remember hearing 5 skill points (possibly) for finishing intro quests, too. And I'm guessing general quests won't give skill points either now, else it could be "unlimited" which is not intended currently. So still seems like players will be able to go fully what they typically like doing, just none of the rest which are "extras". I rarely rarely ever melee or need to, so I wouldn't "need" to go much strength combat-wise. I rarely use pistols, smgs, etc other than rifles, so wouldn't "need" the other gun perks. It's nice currently being able to, just cause, but not really needed since I don't do it on any kind of regular basis. I want to always max out: - 1 melee skill (10 Str + 5) - 2 Ranged skills (10 Per + 10) - Mining (+5) - Looting (+5) So thats 45 points spent with a minimum of 55 points remaining for trying out new play styles. Cant wait to try it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowDog1942 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 They see me Roland, they hatin' Lol..damn.. nice one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomaana Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 So there is now less time to profit from knocked down zombies (bonus damage) as they get up immediately. That mechanic was helpful in melee, especially when fighting a larger group of them. To visualize them not being dead on the ground, they could also play some "shaking" animation on the ground, instead of getting up immediately. The bonus damage wasn't because they were knocked down. That was because they were stunned. I believe the difference is that they now stay standing when stunned but you still get bonus damage. If they still fall while stunned, I assume they wouldn't get up until the stun wears off. I guess they could still start their stand up animation but just not attack until the stun timer is gone. The net result would be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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