Russakaja Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Now this is a poll I'm willing to try even though with the two of you already proving what the minority is not it might end up being a waste of time. But time we will waste regardless. You just changed it from the original. The original post was TENTATIVE release: End of July. Now I suggest you go look up the word "tentative" and find out that it really isn't a shot you have to get when you step on a rusty nail... i see your point. But this is something u can do when u visit a friend, saying that "PROBABLY u gonna visit him in a specific month". for me <- this is not the way u should handle Patch releases. you have a save release date or not, thats it since if u give 'em a date, they hope for it to be released then and they are disappointed especially when it comes out like 1 quarter in delay. or am i wrong? They changed to unity 2018 right before releasing which is a big step to do right before bringing up a new patch, so there was like no reason to give a "tentative release date". just my opinion tho just makes mad after a few shots in delay, thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonetac Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 i see your point. But this is something u can do when u visit a friend, saying that "PROBABLY u gonna visit him in a specific month". for me <- this is not the way u should handle Patch releases. you have a save release date or not, thats it since if u give 'em a date, they hope for it to be released then and they are disappointed especially when it comes out like 1 quarter in delay. or am i wrong? They changed to unity 2018 right before releasing which is a big step to do right before bringing up a new patch, so there was like no reason to give a "tentative release date". just my opinion tho just makes mad after a few shots in delay, thats all Here is why that thought process is flawed and this has been proven over and over and over in the forums here and throughout 7dtd's life. They say they wont give a date. Everyone cries and screams and complains that they just want an estimate, even if its not actual. Then madmole hints that possibly maybe tentatively this day and then they miss that deadline. Everyone cries and complains and screams. it really is a damned if you do and damned if you dont. Cause then people like you come along and say well if you cant hold to a date, dont say anything at all. personally at this point from watching the development of this game from a 400 foot pole they should just ignore everyone at this point and focus on development because no matter what they do someone will come in here and try to be rational, like yourself, but not understand that you just running in circles here. They cant make everyone happy man. i have almost 900 hours in the game and my fiancee has an additional 600 that we dont play anymore and just waiting for things to finish. Thats cool. We love the coop and will come back when more is finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russakaja Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 i see your point. But this is something u can do when u visit a friend, saying that "PROBABLY u gonna visit him in a specific month". for me <- this is not the way u should handle Patch releases. you have a save release date or not, thats it since if u give 'em a date, they hope for it to be released then and they are disappointed especially when it comes out like 1 quarter in delay. or am i wrong? They changed to unity 2018 right before releasing which is a big step to do right before bringing up a new patch, so there was like no reason to give a "tentative release date". just my opinion tho just makes mad after a few shots in delay, thats all what u have to understand is, 7 days 2 die is a game that u can play till u have no more motivation for it. After than u gonna pause the game for a few month, maybe 1 year and then u can start a new awesome round of 7 days 2 die, playing till day 600 or sth. And when ppl expect a release within the next 1-2 month, they will not start a new round since they dont wana loose their motivation ofc. WHen i played 7 days for a few weeks right before a release comes out, im not in mood playing it then, makes sense since im out then for a while. This is what most ppl do and from the moment on u give a release date month..they start waiting and stop playing the game till the release is out. so of there is one delay after another, its like kiting people around ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russakaja Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 y i see ur point. its just annoying thats all. as i already explained before, u wont play this game if u know there would be a release since u wana wait then to start with the new patch. So u keep waitin I understand all ur trying to tell me, but i never watched ppl commenting over all the years of 7 days 2 die and for me its the first time to post sth in here. You know for me and im just talkin for myself now...its the best to NOT give any date if they cant meet this time window. because of the issues i wrote up there^ its way better just to wait and when they are sure, they can meet the deadline, they can make it official, so nobodys dissapointed. If you talk about a new patch that is in work, u start making ppl interested in it so ofc they start waiting for it. from there on, ppl start waitin and if u then make the mistake to give a wrong release, they are disappointed. But if you just work on a patch without giving adwise to anyone and then 1-2 years after say "hey there is a new patch in 2 month, release blablabla" nobody was waiting and everyones happy. When i play alpha 16 for a few years, and nobody's talking about a new patch, then there also is nothing to wait for it. hope u got me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimo Sabi Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Out from my rock... Or corner... Or... Scope creep.... But also you'll be getting alpha 18 content considering the span of time between dev cycles. If they had released 17 in say Jan, we would have stopped playing and still be waiting for the M.O.L.E. and bike and unity updates. Dont forget though these guys are gamers and passionate about this game. I do think when you market through a platform like steam, you should keep marketing to show progress. Otherwise a new buyer will misinterpret it as abandonware on long updates. Maybe the game page has changed, as I have not looked at it in a long time. But I remember last post being in 2017. Until these guys make "7 days to die forest river", I wouldn't worry about it to much lol. They are dedicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSRViper Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Sorry bub, not up to me. That’s gold (no bull) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSRViper Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 I was thinking about CraterCreators earlier post about wandering hordes on the map. How about this; The Trader can sell you a CB radio that gives you access to the ‘White River spotter network’ (radio can only be bought, not made) When you use the radio, it updates horde positions on the map, not their direction or anything, just where they were last spotted. This shouldn’t require any real time processing as it could be calculated quite easily and the map would only update when you accessed the radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4sheetzngeegles Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 A person once taught me in life that, if you have nothing good to say don't say anything at all. Reading this reminded me of this. Trying to scale it to my celica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russakaja Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Out from my rock... Or corner... Or... Scope creep.... But also you'll be getting alpha 18 content considering the span of time between dev cycles. If they had released 17 in say Jan, we would have stopped playing and still be waiting for the M.O.L.E. and bike and unity updates. Dont forget though these guys are gamers and passionate about this game. I do think when you market through a platform like steam, you should keep marketing to show progress. Otherwise a new buyer will misinterpret it as abandonware on long updates. Maybe the game page has changed, as I have not looked at it in a long time. But I remember last post being in 2017. Until these guys make "7 days to die forest river", I wouldn't worry about it to much lol. They are dedicated I know, ofc they have to show progress so u know the game isnt dead and buy it probably. but you know...the devs of other games also manage holding their deadlines and if they give a tentative release month or even quarter, they will hold on to it. It was just a big mistake from the dev's site...making such a big change like updating to the unity 2018...1 month before the release was planned..like if there wouldnt be any bugs and stuff, it was an obvious thing..they should have thought about. Since bugs and problems are normal when u make big steps like these in developement, i have never seen a dev updating a whole engine to a new version 1 month before planning to finish the new patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrton Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Sorry bub, not up to me. oh rays, at least do not try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSBX Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Can blocks be affected by buffs now? I'm hoping buffs, items, blocks, and entities all have a more uniform system to interact with one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obitum Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 09-18-2017 This thread is almost 1 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSRViper Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 09-18-2017 This thread is almost 1 years old. Did you want to buy a cake? 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacoviz Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Can blocks be affected by buffs now? I'm hoping buffs, items, blocks, and entities all have a more uniform system to interact with one another. Yes, i would thanks you of you explain how this will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeen Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Scope creep.... It sure does feel that way doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSBX Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Yes, i would thanks you of you explain how this will work. Right now, blocks can give buffs to entities. That's how we have trap damage, campfires lighting you on fire, etc. Items can also give buffs to entities. Like lighting your buddy on fire with a torch and locking him in a room. Same with him using a first aid kit to heal. Neither entities or items can apply buffs to blocks. Here are a couple of examples of things theoretically possible if they could. • Attaching a C4 item to a block, it applies a buff to explode when hit. Give it a multidim, and now you have the basis for a claymore mine. • Using a jar of oil on a block applies a buff that gives a chance for another entity to slip and ragdoll to the ground. • When a burning zombie walks across dry grass there's a chance it catches on fire, or at least gives off smoke particles. • When any entity walks across snow, it could add a buff to reduce the density of the snow block slightly, leaving a slight indentation, representing tracks. After a certain amount of time depending on whether the weather is snowy, it could "repair" leaving no trace afterwords. Sky's the limit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldranon Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 I know, ofc they have to show progress so u know the game isnt dead and buy it probably. but you know...the devs of other games also manage holding their deadlines and if they give a tentative release month or even quarter, they will hold on to it. It was just a big mistake from the dev's site...making such a big change like updating to the unity 2018...1 month before the release was planned..like if there wouldnt be any bugs and stuff, it was an obvious thing..they should have thought about. Since bugs and problems are normal when u make big steps like these in developement, i have never seen a dev updating a whole engine to a new version 1 month before planning to finish the new patch On the tentative release date slipping: -The next time TFP sets a release date, I am very certain they will not add third part, major updates again. -Also some accountability system will probably be instilled. I.E. Bonus checks for getting things done on time and as planned. Otherwise, the temptation to "milk" TFP will always be there, only workers with high personal standards will not go that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humprey Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 played dead frontier 2 on steam and it was awesome. while waiting this game to update soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat0ut Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 @faatal may i reccomend some yoga? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russakaja Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 That estimated release date you keep mentioning was not for A17. It was for A17e. e as in EXPERIMENTAL. It will probably have annoying bugs, which many people will not like and is not for the average person to play. It is to help us find bugs and get feedback from a select audience. It is for the die-hard fans, who are willing to deal with major bugs and restarting their maps, so they can experience where we are at in development. Comparing that date with other game's release dates is not the same. Like I've said at least twice, the Unity 2018.2 update did not delay the release. "No, the Unity update really just effected art and 1-2 programmers. The tasks designers and several other programmers were and are doing were not effected by the Unity update. There is simply a lot to finish, test, tweak and fix." as far as i read on the devs twitter account they spent weaks solving the issues caused by unity 2018 update. you can read it up, should Well ofc, but tbh... there are not many people playing 7d2d since its a small game. nearly everyone is a hardcore fan playing this game, what is a good thing actually and all the streamers testing this game out like alpha 16 last year to promote it, show stuff were waiting too, thats the point. No matter how u see it.. as a dev i cant say the game will be done in 2 month and after 4 month its not even close to be finished as far as i read out of your text. just bad time management But ye, we cannot change it, just wait and see what happens. im just happy when me and my buddys can prepare for some nice weeks of 7 days 2 die, ma favourite survival. ANd to make that clear, i never wanted to leave a big piece of ♥♥♥♥ on what the devs are doin. They do a great job, i love everything they did till now, all the changes and new upcommings, but this time it just ♥♥♥♥ed me since ive been hyped - - - Updated - - - On the tentative release date slipping: -The next time TFP sets a release date, I am very certain they will not add third part, major updates again. -Also some accountability system will probably be instilled. I.E. Bonus checks for getting things done on time and as planned. Otherwise, the temptation to "milk" TFP will always be there, only workers with high personal standards will not go that way. what is a TFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space4Ace Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 what is a TFP? The Fun Pimps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintones Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 I was talking about bugs. Cops exploding were not counted as a sleeper kill, leading to the volume resetting. Thanks Faatal. I was dreaming of chains coming out of them pulling us to death Gotta separate those survivors ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrook1028 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 as far as i read on the devs twitter account they spent weaks solving the issues caused by unity 2018 update. you can read it up, should[/Quote] Really? You have a Dev, telling you that major parts of the Dev team were not affected AT ALL by the Unity update and you don't believe him? Seriously, telling him to go read a Twitter post about it rather than what he knows FIRSTHAND????? what is a TFP? Sigh, maybe that explains why you don't know who Faatal is.... hint... he's coding GOD! Fixing the AI! All Hail Faatal!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drithyl Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 No matter how u see it.. as a dev i cant say the game will be done in 2 month and after 4 month its not even close to be finished as far as i read out of your text. just bad time management They did not say that the update would be done in a specific number of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillls Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 - - - Updated - - - what is a TFP? snip... TFP - Means The Fun Pimps, they are the developers of this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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