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Dear Joel,

 

if you look at steam forums (outside of this fan bubble) you find the truth about this game:

 

- slow development

- gfx polishing

- missing new content

- wasted potential

 

people thing you should better have invested the money into hiring more devs instead of keeping it for bitches & drugs or whatever...

The rating is down to 63% and still getting worst. Many negative reviews are just true an came from ppl how played 7 days a long time.

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Dear Joel,

 

if you look at steam forums (outside of this fan bubble) you find the truth about this game:

 

- slow development

- gfx polishing

- missing new content

- wasted potential

 

people thing you should better have invested the money into hiring more devs instead of keeping it for bitches & drugs or whatever...

The rating is down to 63% and still getting worst. Many negative reviews are just true an came from ppl how played 7 days a long time.

 

sad story

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As a long time player of this game i play it since alpha 1 i want to say this go out get a life don't stay here on a forum and bash in the heads of FP for nothing. Me and 80% of the players don't even read the forum in the first place. So calm down, you all know FP always deliver in big time so chill out. And there are a loat of great mods for this game to keep you all busy until alpha 17 is out. This is what i want to say have all a nice day.

 

 

And for FP i give you an ideea for the next alpha don't say anything let's see how this so called fan boys react. Keep the great work.

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Er meinte VERSION ... Das sollte dir auch klar sein, war es sicher auch. aber deine Antwort ist ein Inbegriff / Typisch für die Umgehensweise mit Kritikern hier im Forum. Bei anderen Entwicklern (Fataal...) kommt ja wenigstens auch mal eine Information. Bist du überhaupt im Entwicklerteam oder warum ist das von dir nicht zu erwarten ?

 

i said i will check after 10th Sept. its not still till October . but actually seeing you trash talking about 7dtd like that , saing its fan bubble and stuff, i ll let you know ( politely as i can ) , its not .. and there is fans whining about the game and the development , but NONE said it need money investment ,because a voxel game is at least 2 times harder than normal games , and caring about solving bugs is of course one of there concerns , dont you think they can give you the game and play it with its bugs ? MM had a gamplay with no showstopping bugs . so you can have it , BUT they know you will throw it back at them and say , i dont want this trash game its buggy and you cant develop nothing.. THEY KNOW,,,. :).......:rolleyes:

 

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As a long time player of this game i play it since alpha 1 i want to say this go out get a life don't stay here on a forum and bash in the heads of FP for nothing. Me and 80% of the players don't even read the forum in the first place. So calm down, you all know FP always deliver in big time so chill out. And there are a loat of great mods for this game to keep you all busy until alpha 17 is out. This is what i want to say have all a nice day.

 

 

And for FP i give you an ideea for the next alpha don't say anything let's see how this so called fan boys react. Keep the great work.

 

i am focusing on losing some wight and improving ma fitness ...MM iam going to get those 6-packs soon :)

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You do realize that outside of this forum people are starting to call this game 7 years to release and different variations of that.

And honestly I don't blame them it's only a bit over two more years and that will be the actual truth.

 

I would have personally jumped ship a long time ago if it were not for the completely superior building system in this game when compared to it's competitors.

To me A17 with it's additions and engine improvements is looking good and I have no other big complains about it other than the removal of backwards running because I like to kite dogs doing so but that is a personal preference.

 

More building options and more traps is what I personally desire because my games are always about building that impenetrable fortress.

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You do realize that outside of this forum people are starting to call this game 7 years to release and different variations of that.

 

Will take as much time as needed. This is not a popcorn simulator. Sorry for being dissapointed, but some stuff takes time. Unity updates are not excuses, they follow the flow of updating their tools and bring us better stuff. I don`t see anything wrong with this.

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You do realize that outside of this forum people are starting to call this game 7 years to release and different variations of that.

And honestly I don't blame them it's only a bit over two more years and that will be the actual truth.

 

They say that in here! It's not really news.

 

I would have personally jumped ship a long time ago if it were not for the completely superior building system in this game when compared to it's competitors.

To me A17 with it's additions and engine improvements is looking good and I have no other big complains about it other than the removal of backwards running because I like to kite dogs doing so but that is a personal preference.

 

Do you think that many people feel the way you do? TFP does have an excellent, stand-out product. Is it enough that people are willing to wait extra for it?

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Which game are you talking about? 7DTD has been using Unity since umm... as long as I can remember. Certainly for several years now.

 

Fine. Game engine version/revision/edition. You knew EXACTLY what I meant.

I like that a grammatical error was the only thing you could pick from my entire comment.

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You do realize that outside of this forum people are starting to call this game 7 years to release and different variations of that.

And honestly I don't blame them it's only a bit over two more years and that will be the actual truth.

 

I would have personally jumped ship a long time ago if it were not for the completely superior building system in this game when compared to it's competitors.

To me A17 with it's additions and engine improvements is looking good and I have no other big complains about it other than the removal of backwards running because I like to kite dogs doing so but that is a personal preference.

 

More building options and more traps is what I personally desire because my games are always about building that impenetrable fortress.

 

This confuses me, what does it matter if it's "final" or not? Many people complain about that for other alpha games as well. If the developer is adding, changing, fixing, or altering functions, but is completely playable, what does it matter at all what state it is in?

 

I haven't played for a while, just tried some other games until alpha 17 comes out. Whether it takes another 10 years for it to finish, but is completely playable in all stages of release, I just don't understand why people complain "it's not done yet".

 

You can still play it. It's not like you gave them 20 bucks and are sitting there saying, 'Jeeze I want to play already, when will it be finished'?

 

The only real complaint I suppose would be optimization. But while 7dtd is far from optimized it's still completely playable.

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Ok people. Let's get all the frustrations out now. Much like you, I want A17 as soon as possible. Here's the reality of the situation, when you code new stuff, old stuff breaks. I was a network administrator for years and oh the headaches with windows and updates and patches. Things break and it's not always an easy fix. There are no magical code fairies to fix it. Kin, Gazz, Alloc, Prime and the rest are all working their arse's off to get the product to us. The team NEVER promises a date because of this, and it wasn't till July that Mad Mole even speculated an approximate release. No matter what TFP does, people will still cry about it. Remember devs are people too, though I picture Kin/Gazz/Alloc/Prime to look like Lt. Cmdr. Data as I think they are actually AI with a hive mind. The fact that this update has taken over a year is a bit disappointing, but at the same time look at what they've done. If you can't appreciate how challenging it is to rework most of the base code to the game, then you need to do a little research and educate yourself on how involved it is. For you car guys it's like taking apart a Ferrari and putting it back together without the Haynes guide, sure you know you're way around the car, but taking it apart and putting it back together doesn't happen overnight. Especially when you add in custom engineered parts (new code).

 

Roland/Mad Mole:

 

Imho, I think it would help if you could provide some details on what bugs/kinks are being worked out. Maybe mention a few of the major issues that are being worked on. While we love the game, because why else would we be here, it helps ease the wait if we have an idea of what's going on. We're investors in this product, much like you, we want it to be the best thing since sliced bread, or in MM's case supplements. Our ROI is how good the game will be and how much time we invest to play it and how much fun we'll have doing so. Would it be so bad to give the community a little taste of the progress being made. People tend to be more understanding if they have an idea of what's going on. It's like having your car in the shop for a few days and you just want a progress update. Anything to help ease the tension and frustration. I've always supported TFP on here and on discord when it comes to the time frame of an Alpha release, while not a coder, I understand the process.

 

Hopefully there can be a happy medium between the devs and the players to help ease the frustrations on both sides.

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Location: Cockatoo Victoria... Well there's your problem! I'd be pretty bitter as well if that was my city name, certainly if my name was Victoria! Holy Cow... Cant they get the name changed? Or at least make it illegal to name ANYONE Victoria?

 

Wow, I am sorry. I hope the rest of your life is fulled with great things, you and the 43 other people that live there.

 

There is another way to tell him welcome to the forums, but ok :D

I mean it, welcome Oz_Collector, take some time to read around, get used with us and be part of us.

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Location: Cockatoo Victoria... Well there's your problem! I'd be pretty bitter as well if that was my city name, certainly if my name was Victoria! Holy Cow... Cant they get the name changed? Or at least make it illegal to name ANYONE Victoria?

 

Wow, I am sorry. I hope the rest of your life is fulled with great things, you and the 4300 other people that live there.

 

But with the game... you know its just a game right? But I forgive everything, you have suffered enough.

 

Slow clap

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Just talked to the Huenink Brothers and they said it won't be this weekend starting Sept 7 for sure.

Joel said 0% chance it will be ready this week.

Rick said it would be "overly optimistic to get it out before the end of the month".

 

They are 100% fixing bugs and making sure all of the features work with each other. They know that the community wants it and they know that it has been longer than a year. They understand the frustration that is out there but they are not going to rush what they are doing.

 

Thanks Roland, thats a really helpfull statement (Developers GUESS / ESTIMATION )

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There is another way to tell him welcome to the forums, but ok :D

I mean it, welcome Oz_Collector, take some time to read around, get used with us and be part of us.

 

Thank you.

Generally I just lurk but felt the need to vent the opinions of the team I play with.

The only reason I even feel enough passion about it to post is that this game may have more potential than any game I have ever played and I'm not sure it isn't being p***ed against the wall right now.

Even when we were waiting for A16 to drop everyone I play with was able to find ways to keep it interesting. Now everyone has stopped logging onto the server I am paying for and some have uninstalled the game entirely (a fair sign they may not return).

I wont be renewing the server subscription when it comes up for renewal.

Since A14 I have spent around 3000 hours ingame, but it is very rare for me to move to another game and then come back. I tend to play only one game at a time and pound the life out of it. I feel like I have unfinished business with this game but cant wait forever.

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Thank you.

Generally I just lurk but felt the need to vent the opinions of the team I play with.

The only reason I even feel enough passion about it to post is that this game may have more potential than any game I have ever played and I'm not sure it isn't being p***ed against the wall right now.

Even when we were waiting for A16 to drop everyone I play with was able to find ways to keep it interesting. Now everyone has stopped logging onto the server I am paying for and some have uninstalled the game entirely (a fair sign they may not return).

I wont be renewing the server subscription when it comes up for renewal.

Since A14 I have spent around 3000 hours ingame, but it is very rare for me to move to another game and then come back. I tend to play only one game at a time and pound the life out of it. I feel like I have unfinished business with this game but cant wait forever.

 

Understand you fully (got all latest new games and progress is less than 5% per game) This is THE game for most of us, too. Tell your buddies that it is gonna be much better. Try experimenting while a release is..released. We can`t push pimps do their job, but we can help them with understanding. Just a bit is enough. Have fun around.

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I know. Hence the triple smile. I was trying to mock Gazz because the horde night fits the description and it has been suggested to make it random many times.

 

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Ah ok, my bad. I missed the triple smile. But it did make me wonder about having a game setting in the xml to randomize the day 7 horde value. Would certainly spice things up not knowing which night would be horde night.

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Thank you.

Generally I just lurk but felt the need to vent the opinions of the team I play with.

The only reason I even feel enough passion about it to post is that this game may have more potential than any game I have ever played and I'm not sure it isn't being p***ed against the wall right now.

Even when we were waiting for A16 to drop everyone I play with was able to find ways to keep it interesting. Now everyone has stopped logging onto the server I am paying for and some have uninstalled the game entirely (a fair sign they may not return).

I wont be renewing the server subscription when it comes up for renewal.

Since A14 I have spent around 3000 hours ingame, but it is very rare for me to move to another game and then come back. I tend to play only one game at a time and pound the life out of it. I feel like I have unfinished business with this game but cant wait forever.

 

Yeah, most people here know TFP are on to something big. Trying to make voxels look good and not lock up a computer is not easy and that is why most other game companies go the easy way of making things just "look" real.

 

TFP's are still learning some of the do's and don'ts of the fickle world of gamers. They'll do fine, I'm sure.

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