Ouch Quit It Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Coughs * VIDEO * Coughs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBornkilla Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Coughs * VIDEO * Coughs no video just a cookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenixshade35 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Honestly im liking the idea of zombies chasing me till i break, so now i have a base defense that works well, but this gives me an idea for fallback underground structures, if zombies are going to come break the hatch i have build to get to my underground I will have to make defenses for down below, im looking forward to the challenge, hey roland, out of curiosity are the traders a finished product as far as their inventory goes or are they still a work in progress like the rest of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordwaster Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Two camps that don’t realize there are other camps. It’s really odd how they are both convinced that they are being punished when the devs make changes to add excitement and challenge. And how each thinks the other camp is just out to get them. Some of us want and welcome the new challenges for our own games. I know I really, really don’t care how you play. It doesn’t effect me. You do you. Turn of spawns, abuse the ai, use godmode. Have fun. That’s what games are for. But me? I get bored underground. And since I have to go underground to get resources, I want something there to challenge me. I can’t “turn off” the fact that there is no challenge underground, but you can easily turn off zombies if you don’t want to deal with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosterone Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 There will probably always be ways to be 100% safe, but they're trying to make it take some effort. Digging straight to bedrock will probably still mean 100% safety since blood moon hordes aren't likely to dig down 50+ blocks of stone, but the simple roof-of-a-POI tactic is about to be very ill-advised. Umm....they will smash through dirt and stone faster than concrete, won't they? And if cops puke down, "poof" goes a bunch. God forbid a zombie bear can dig. Not so sure 50+ blocks will save you long. I think the terror of hearing all that getting closer and closer to your bunker will ruin some shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackelmyer Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I like to hear new strategies, because that is what keeps it fresh for me and hopefully most of the players. Sitting in an underground base on day 7 while zombies ran in circles above, like my son did in A15 is pointless. He was happy because he exploited the stupid AI, while I refused to join him, since I wanted to bust those zombies heads and outwit them with my decoy base. Blood moons never touched my base, because we didn't stay there. New sleeping bags placed at decoy base. With all the underground chatter... I'm telling you guys... Fix two things: 1. Screamers - Stop the damn busy work. You can't be a builder in this game with any real conveyance if you're stuck fighting horde after horde of screamers because you have 6 forges going. Either chill out the screamers or speed up the material processing and gathering. But something needs to give there. This is the #1 reason I personally go underground with my main base. 2. If your digging zombies make me forever stuck splinted in the game, you've not really increased my enjoyment at all. Either backfill the holes a digger digs or... Get rid of broken legs and splints all together. No one wants to constantly run around with a broken and/or splinted leg 50% of the time or more. And diggers are going to make random drops. I suppose you could make it so that diggers come in at a really long and shallow slope. But something here should be done. Get those two things sorted out, and I'm all in. I may still base underground. I'll probably be more apt to build up my base above ground. But if I'm stuck... Constantly defending... Constantly repairing... Constantly resource gathering (base resources)... to the point I can't explore... Then why... is there even... a map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Louden Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 @ faatal / Roland, If you want to up the difficulty it'd be great if at night zeds run faster than the player and alcohol is not a 100% stun resistance, this is a serious chest/explot/cheese play feature. I'd say make it 30% stun resistance. Being out at night should be terrifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeen Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Sitting in an underground base on day 7 while zombies ran in circles above, like my son did in A15 is pointless. He was happy because he exploited the stupid AI, while I refused to join him, since I wanted to bust those zombies heads and outwit them with my decoy base. Hear Hear! If there is ever a mod made that strongly discourages under ground bases it will be on my server, in fact I may figure out how to do it myself and put it out there because there are a lot of people like me that think under ground bases ruin the apocalypse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeen Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Uh, right now they don't do that. It was talked about, but SI is not a variable on each block and calcing it looks slow, so it is using weakest blocks. There is also random variation, so they are not all attacking the same block. I plan on improving this more for A17. <3 <3 <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordwaster Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Uh, right now they don't do that. It was talked about, but SI is not a variable on each block and calcing it looks slow, so it is using weakest blocks. There is also random variation, so they are not all attacking the same block. I plan on improving this more for A17. Have you considered giving the ability only to one special type of zombie? Wouldn’t eat up nearly the amount of resources if there were only a couple in a horde. Or maybe a special zombie that somehow marks the support blocks? Then just have the rest get attracted to the marked blocks. Or is it just registering the blocks as weight bearing in the zombies heads at all that causes the problem? I’m just confused by the “si is not a variable on each block” bit. I never looked to deeply into that, but if it isn’t in there somewhere...why do things fall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobarg Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 The more I read about the almost mythical A17 the more I realise that once again going into the Xmls and changing things to suit is going to be important. Given that I also crave the implementation of the workshop. We are so far into development now that NOT having the workshop working is quite surprising. I’d love to know how high on their priority list it actually is. We’ve been told before that TFP are modders and all that but for me if that where so we would already have some form of it even if it wasn’t the end solution. I’m looking forward to seeing all the new stuff but also a little worried that to play the game as I want to I’m going to have to get in under the hood and change a few things to make it run. Side note. I am about to go to work again for the first time in four years today! I’m so NOT looking forward to it tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Louden Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Yes, I would like to super size my order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 @Roland or Fataal.. or whoever. Oh! that's my question! Will we be able to adjust their memory setting? Like set it for 1min for the day (walkers) and 30 seconds for the night (runners)? If not: Can we get it added please? That is not a simple one. Investigate time happens in a bunch of places with different times and there is also attack time. These can be cleared or changed by various code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Louden Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 @ faatal / Roland, If you want to up the difficulty it'd be great if at night zeds run faster than the player and alcohol is not a 100% stun resistance, this is a serious chest/explot/cheese play feature. I'd say make it 30% stun resistance. Being out at night should be terrifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUST2DEATH Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 We are so far into development now that NOT having the workshop working is quite surprising. I’d love to know how high on their priority list it actually is. How can you have workshop when the base keeps changing? Xpath is meant to be implemented in A17 (unless I misunderstood Alloc). I think (dont quote me), that also some of SDX is also being integrated. How far, dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProphet Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Hiding underground in a bunker with your mates in pvp is one of the best feels ever on a videogame. Feels comfy while you are there and yet you are forced to leave for food, and you end up taking risks to attack other bases, explore other people's bunker and find hidden stuff. Ground bases have sun to grow food, easier access to animals (u can snipe them in a tower), u can also snipe other players and loot, the con is that it's not hidden. Hidden bases you are forced to leave everytime you want water, food, etc, but its hidden. Everything has its pros and cons. If we are going to have a bunch of zombies on top of us digging down and making it obvious we are there all the time then it's pretty pointless and just sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 That is not a simple one. Investigate time happens in a bunch of places with different times and there is also attack time. These can be cleared or changed by various code. Gotcha. No biggie, would have just been an extra toy to play with. Can't wait to dive in and look around at any of the new stuff we can play with. If we even need to by the time you're done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janna3921 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Hear Hear! If there is ever a mod made that strongly discourages under ground bases it will be on my server, in fact I may figure out how to do it myself and put it out there because there are a lot of people like me that think under ground bases ruin the apocalypse. Here Here ! ! ! I rest my case! Here is the "It's the underground dweller's fault". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I thought the reason why games lower gun noise is actually to protect players eardrums. That is at least the explanation that i heard once. Well, we don't want you going deaf playing the game. I was talking about noise generated. What the zombies hear. Guns were only like 2 or 3 times louder than jumping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeen Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Hiding underground in a bunker with your mates in pvp is one of the best feels ever on a videogame. Feels comfy while you are there and yet you are forced to leave for food, and you end up taking risks to attack other bases, explore other people's bunker and find hidden stuff. Ground bases have sun to grow food, easier access to animals (u can snipe them in a tower), u can also snipe other players and loot, the con is that it's not hidden. Hidden bases you are forced to leave everytime you want water, food, etc, but its hidden. Everything has its pros and cons. If we are going to have a bunch of zombies on top of us digging down and making it obvious we are there all the time then it's pretty pointless and just sucks. Here's the thing though it's super easy to defend an above ground base and make it utterly impervious to zombies you just have to use your imagination. You need to play with engineering minded people who have experience designing and building advanced bases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 Hiding underground in a bunker with your mates in pvp is one of the best feels ever on a videogame. Feels comfy while you are there and yet you are forced to leave for food, and you end up taking risks to attack other bases, explore other people's bunker and find hidden stuff. Ground bases have sun to grow food, easier access to animals (u can snipe them in a tower), u can also snipe other players and loot, the con is that it's not hidden. Hidden bases you are forced to leave everytime you want water, food, etc, but its hidden. Everything has its pros and cons. If we are going to have a bunch of zombies on top of us digging down and making it obvious we are there all the time then it's pretty pointless and just sucks. Decoy base you only stay in for horde nights should fix that. Or you could turn off zombies so your full focus would be on other players as the threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emarat Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Well, we don't want you going deaf playing the game. I was talking about noise generated. What the zombies hear. Guns were only like 2 or 3 times louder than jumping. Ah okay that makes more sense. Btw thanks for patiently answering people‘s questions. It definitely helps in getting to understand more of the ai im A17. Can’t wait to see your changes for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyaldan Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Could we get a separate volume slider for gun noises? I always thought the sounds were too loud in game. I dont want to wake people up irl just because i wanted to unload my ak, but turning down general sound makes it easier for the zombies to sneak up unexpectedly, and makes it harder to tell where sounds are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeen Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Here Here ! ! ! I rest my case! Here is the "It's the underground dweller's fault". As far as I am concerned an under ground base is nothing but an exploit, not only should it not be encouraged but TFP should kill it with fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamida Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Digging simply adds another direction that zombies can move in. Upwards, they climb or jump. Sideways, they move or smash. Down, they drop off ledges or dig. Digging down into dirt is no harder than digging sideways into concrete. Digging does not effect sensing you. Sensing works in all directions and is distance based. The game does not model sound absorption by blocks (maybe someday we can add that), so hearing you up, down or sideways is the same. Digging does not just apply to ground. If a zombie is stuck in a 2nd story room and you are below him in a 1st story room making loud noises they hear, they can dig down through the floor. Oooohhhhh, you put that out there now you will have to deal with the flak of something that was going to be added but wasn't... (if it isn't of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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