Jost Amman Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 3 hours ago, Laz Man said: Love your profile meme....I mean photo....😅 No. You don't understand... THAT'S REAL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morloc Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 11 hours ago, Guppycur said: We actually got an official answer for this once, but damned if I can remember. It was a very long time ago. (I'm pretty sure...) Mouse wheel ticks are tracked as a static array with only 254 positions. This limitation frees up valuable game resources for other things. Better add this jic.... -Arch Necromancer Morloc 💀 Edited April 5 by Morloc (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake_ Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 11 hours ago, Guppycur said: We actually got an official answer for this once, but damned if I can remember. It was a very long time ago. ... Some sort of technical limitation. I don't know if it's still a thing, but it used to be you could explore a lot of the map and part of the map that you already explored early on would be blacked out again. Or a concussion has finally sunk in and I'm babbling. Well, zooming and grey area cleaning are both done by the GPU I gather, but the map data isn't, so long story short, there just shouldn't be a technical limitation anymore, it's just that they didn't touch zooming since ages ago. The map "blacking out" when exploring lots of it? I haven't tested it yet in this alpha. Speaking of which, @faatal do you know if there are changes regarding map exploring/ zooming in a21? Also, Can we fully explore a 10k or even a 20k custom map in multiplayer and will it remain explored even after thousands of hours of restarting the session and spitting at our motherboards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankitas Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 10 hours ago, Laz Man said: Love your profile meme....I mean photo....😅 Actual photo of him, don't know what you're talking about. My arm is itching too...Got some of those A21 features? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annihilatorza Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 @faatal Do you use Frustum culling? Frustum culling is a graphics optimization technique used in 3D rendering to improve performance by eliminating the need to draw objects that are not visible within the camera's field of view. The camera's field of view is defined by a frustum, which is a truncated pyramid-shaped volume that extends from the camera's position outward in the direction it's facing. Frustum culling works by checking whether an object (or a part of it) is inside the camera's view frustum or not. If an object is entirely outside the frustum, it's culled, meaning it won't be processed for rendering. This reduces the computational workload on the GPU, as it only needs to process and render the objects that are visible to the camera. To perform frustum culling, the view frustum is typically divided into six planes: top, bottom, left, right, near, and far. Each object (or its bounding volume, such as a bounding box or bounding sphere) is tested against these planes to determine if it's inside or outside the frustum. If it's inside or intersecting the frustum, the object is rendered; otherwise, it's culled. Frustum culling is particularly effective in scenes with a large number of objects or complex geometry, as it can significantly reduce the number of objects that need to be rendered, improving the overall performance of the game or application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost Amman Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 12 minutes ago, Annihilatorza said: @faatal Do you use Frustum culling? Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oshen.Oliver Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 The only thing I BEG YOU, Is that I don't have to start a new world to play the new update, my partner and I are so far in this world, I would be devastated, but I'm so freaking excited for the update!!! Let me work for you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankitas Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 minute ago, Oshen.Oliver said: The only thing I BEG YOU, Is that I don't have to start a new world to play the new update, my partner and I are so far in this world, I would be devastated, but I'm so freaking excited for the update!!! Let me work for you I hate to bring bad news, but every Alpha until A20 needed a fresh start, but imagine all the new props and generated cities! It's a good thing if you think about it, you can save your world by backing up %appdata%/7daystodie folder just in case, if you want to play it again just go back to A20 (properties/betas) on steam. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faatal Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 4 hours ago, Blake_ said: Well, zooming and grey area cleaning are both done by the GPU I gather, but the map data isn't, so long story short, there just shouldn't be a technical limitation anymore, it's just that they didn't touch zooming since ages ago. The map "blacking out" when exploring lots of it? I haven't tested it yet in this alpha. Speaking of which, @faatal do you know if there are changes regarding map exploring/ zooming in a21? Also, Can we fully explore a 10k or even a 20k custom map in multiplayer and will it remain explored even after thousands of hours of restarting the session and spitting at our motherboards? It is the same. The limit is it renders into a texture and the texture is a fixed size to not use too much memory. I did change zoom a while back in Unity editor, so I can teleport around better or zoom in very close to check the art, but it is not for release as the texture no longer fills the window, so you would see the edges. No plans to change. Never looked at how it saves/loads the explored area. 3 hours ago, Annihilatorza said: @faatal Do you use Frustum culling? Every 3d game engine uses culling by the camera's view. Our occlusion manager goes beyond that and culls based on areas being hidden behind rendered objects. 5 minutes ago, Trankitas said: I hate to bring bad news, but every Alpha until A20 needed a fresh start, but imagine all the new props and generated cities! It's a good thing if you think about it, you can save your world by backing up %appdata%/7daystodie folder just in case, if you want to play it again just go back to A20 (properties/betas) on steam. Yes, A21 has many changes that would break an A20 world. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankitas Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 16 minutes ago, faatal said: Yes, A21 has many changes that would break an A20 world. Per example: Bandits. If you're on A20 they wouldn't generate correctly right Faatal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphon583 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 16 minutes ago, Trankitas said: Per example: Bandits. If you're on A20 they wouldn't generate correctly right Faatal? I think even players running a brand new A21 world will have trouble generating bandits since bandits aren't an A21 feature 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankitas Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, Syphon583 said: I think even players running a brand new A21 world will have trouble generating bandits since bandits aren't an A21 feature Bro shhhh I'm trying to do something 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Negan Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 53 minutes ago, faatal said: It is the same. The limit is it renders into a texture and the texture is a fixed size to not use too much memory. I did change zoom a while back in Unity editor, so I can teleport around better or zoom in very close to check the art, but it is not for release as the texture no longer fills the window, so you would see the edges. No plans to change. Thanks for clarifying, shame to hear it won't be changed, but it is what it is, it's not the end of the world. Thanks for the quick reply ❤️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, Trankitas said: Bro shhhh I'm trying to do something And you were so close. Faatal’s hand hovered over the bandit button poised to press but then he came to his senses after Syphon’s reminder. We could have had it!!! Maybe wait a day and try again. Everyone knows programmers suffer from short term memory loss. Edited April 5 by Roland (see edit history) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankitas Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Roland said: And you were so close. Faatal’s hand hovered over the bandit button poised to press but then he came to his senses after Syphon’s reminder. We could have had it!!! Maybe wait a day and try again. Everyone knows programmers suffer from short term memory loss. I knew it, I'll try again in a couple of hours. Btw it's Syphon's fault we don't have any bandits now, get him boys! Edited April 5 by Trankitas (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkstardragon Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, Trankitas said: I knew it, I'll try again in a couple of hours. Btw it's Syphon's fault we don't have any bandits now, get him boys! Yea, dunno about you, but i have plenty of bandits in my 7dtd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz Man Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 38 minutes ago, drkstardragon said: Yea, dunno about you, but i have plenty of bandits in my 7dtd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Crow Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Unrelated to the current convo about bandits, but I have a theory regarding the new trader compounds. I believe they may be related to each trader's specialties (despite Rekt's not working properly currently). Trader Rekt received a new compound resembling a small farm in A20, and his specialty is supposed to be seeds and food. Bob's new compound in A21 is a salvage yard - his specialty is tools. If I'm right (and this is just a theory/guess), Jen may receive a new compound resembling some sort of clinic or medical station, Hugh may receive something like an old gun store, and Joel.. I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB_H4wk Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 10 minutes ago, Old Crow said: If I'm right (and this is just a theory/guess), Jen may receive a new compound resembling some sort of clinic or medical station. Or the Boobie trap. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Crow Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 15 minutes ago, HB_H4wk said: Or the Boobie trap. I see what you did there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weazelsun Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 32 minutes ago, Old Crow said: and Joel.. I'm not sure. Joel if I recall is the general goods. So maybe a pawn shop for him! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khzmusik Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 3 hours ago, Roland said: Everyone knows programmers suffer from short term memory loss. We just think fast. A minute to normal people is like an hour to a programmer. So if we forget something after a day, it's like a normal person forgetting something after a couple months. ...Who are you again? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyceKaeks Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 If there adding a chunk reset option in A21 i dont think prefabs would have issues, though i can imagine perhaps with the amount of player progression changed there would be conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiemfire Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Iirc the trader specialties are supposed to be (per the a19 and a20 dev threads, I am not going diving to pull up a damn link so don't ask): Jen; Meds Rekt; farming/seeds Bob; vehicles Hugh; weapons Joel; armor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syphon583 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 6 hours ago, Trankitas said: I knew it, I'll try again in a couple of hours. Btw it's Syphon's fault we don't have any bandits now, get him boys! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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