Please REMOVE the Strip Club POI

[Blackrook]

I half agree with the opener,   but I do  wonder how many of the people shouting 'shut up your face' 

have teen-aged daughters.   Might just be an age thing, or maybe we are more repressed here in the UK.

 

 

I haven't problems with porn/strip clubs/sex shops  in real life,  as long as its between consenting adults,

and as long as it doesn't have huge  neon signs saying SEX SEX SEX   in a non-suitable location.

 

I don't have a problem with the booby hatch  even,  but I found the stripper z  to be  a bit tasteless and 'skanky'

(okay fair enough that zombies are always going to be a bit skanky)

 

Nothing to do with religion or morals just a personal preference against skanky strippers.

Alternatively might be that my daughters PC is next to mine and she looks at my screen,

and I look at hers  -  am I only allowed to play when she's in bed  if the game is 'M' rated?

 

Anyway I  modded the stripper out (swapped for the slightly less tasteless nursies)

Been playing 7days since 2013  -   and the option to easily mod stuff out  - 1 line changes

is one of the reasons I keep playing/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Maharin]

17 hours ago, Guppycur said:

I know a sex doll rental shop was somehow blocked from being built in Houston, but I think it was the concept that was blocked not a location issue. 

 

Might as well push for truth in advertising and call it STD Rental.

51 minutes ago, Blackrook said:

I half agree with the opener,   but I do  wonder how many of the people shouting 'shut up your face' 

have teen-aged daughters.   Might just be an age thing, or maybe we are more repressed here in the UK.

 

Why is it that so many people are overly concerned for their daughters but not for their sons? 

 

/boggle at society

[meganoth]

1 hour ago, Blackrook said:

I half agree with the opener,   but I do  wonder how many of the people shouting 'shut up your face' 

have teen-aged daughters.   Might just be an age thing, or maybe we are more repressed here in the UK.

 

 

I haven't problems with porn/strip clubs/sex shops  in real life,  as long as its between consenting adults,

and as long as it doesn't have huge  neon signs saying SEX SEX SEX   in a non-suitable location.

 

I don't have a problem with the booby hatch  even,  but I found the stripper z  to be  a bit tasteless and 'skanky'

(okay fair enough that zombies are always going to be a bit skanky)

 

Nothing to do with religion or morals just a personal preference against skanky strippers.

Alternatively might be that my daughters PC is next to mine and she looks at my screen,

and I look at hers  -  am I only allowed to play when she's in bed  if the game is 'M' rated?

 

Anyway I  modded the stripper out (swapped for the slightly less tasteless nursies)

Been playing 7days since 2013  -   and the option to easily mod stuff out  - 1 line changes

is one of the reasons I keep playing/

 

Why half agree when you complain about totally different issues? You complain about a half-naked zombie which arguably might give most parents at least an uneasy moment if their kids watch this as well.

 

He complains about a POI without any sex shown, only some cages where the kids would already need to know everything about those establishments to not conclude that there would be animals in there !! And a suggestive name in a world where "booby" is said by 5 year olds to hopefully get a shocked reaction from their parents.

 

To answer your question: Some of the people answering in this now overly long thread have said they are parents, and without exception they have been refuting the idea that the booby trap should be removed. I'm relatively sure of this because I can't remember even one comment being supportive of the OPs idea.

 

 

Edited October 8, 2021 by meganoth (see edit history)

[BFT2020]

1 hour ago, Blackrook said:

I half agree with the opener,   but I do  wonder how many of the people shouting 'shut up your face' 

have teen-aged daughters.   Might just be an age thing, or maybe we are more repressed here in the UK.

I am a parent, but I have two sons (no daughters unfortunately).

 

However, neither of my sons are allowed to play this game as they are not mature enough for it.  It would be the same if I had a daughter.  However, once they reached the age where I believe they are mature enough to play the game, they would be allowed to do so.

 

This is a game that was developed for mature players.  If someone wants to make it so their kids can play the game, they are more than able to modify the game to remove any elements that they object to.  None of us have an issue with a person modifying the game for their values or morals, and a lot of members here would be more than willing to assist.  The issue a lot of people had in this thread was the OP wanting TFP to remove elements he found went against his morals.

[Matt115]

On 10/6/2021 at 2:03 PM, Gazz said:

 

I'm sure the level designers would love it.  Maybe recreate the Blue Oyster Club from Police Academy. =P

Could you guys ask @SnowDog1942 for help ? i think he would help you a lot!

[Roland]

4 hours ago, Blackrook said:

am I only allowed to play when she's in bed  if the game is 'M' rated?

 

Yes, if you desire to behave in alignment with your stated convictions. No, if you're willing to live below the standard you claim to believe in. No judegment here. I don't think anyone successfully lives up to all their ideals all the time. But since you asked, waiting to play when children aren't present watching the M-rated content is absolutely what someone would do who both believes that children shouldn't view that material and intends to live by that belief and enforce it in their own home.

[Gamida]

1 hour ago, Roland said:

 

Yes, if you desire to behave in alignment with your stated convictions. No, if you're willing to live below the standard you claim to believe in. No judegment here. I don't think anyone successfully lives up to all their ideals all the time. But since you asked, waiting to play when children aren't present watching the M-rated content is absolutely what someone would do who both believes that children shouldn't view that material and intends to live by that belief and enforce it in their own home.

Same as not watching an R rated movie on tv while kids are next to you on couch...

[SnowDog1942]

3 hours ago, Roland said:

 I don't think anyone successfully lives up to all their ideals all the time.

I do.  I just have very….. “reasonable” ideals.

Edited October 8, 2021 by SnowDog1942 (see edit history)

[Maharin]

15 minutes ago, SnowDog1942 said:

I do.  I just have very….. “reasonable” ideals.

 

You might want to review the definition of ideal. 

[Matt115]

3 hours ago, Roland said:

 

I don't think anyone successfully lives up to all their ideals all the time.

 

33 minutes ago, SnowDog1942 said:

I do.  I just have very….. “reasonable” ideals.

Well my friend in primiary school wanted to became hobo.. and he manage to fulfille his dreams so...... 

Damn i need newsstand 😭

there is one thing that i love more that newsstands

[Gouki]

And I was going to add a "Sexshop" as a prefab, now I think I'll change it for my good (naaa, I won't).

[Scyris]

On 9/23/2021 at 9:52 PM, Listening said:

 

So this is going to going to be controversial, but shouldn't be. There is currently a couple of POI's that are of concern, but the Strip Club is the biggy. I've been considering this post for some time but on seeing some of the A20 previews it seems like they are making more variations on this POI and therefore time to step up.

 

Note, I am the father of young women who love this kind of game. But I dont feel comfortable with the mysoginistic imagery of the Strip Club. Corpes of women in cages exaserbate the impact of a place that is all about objectification of women.

 

A test for this sort of thing, in my mind, is to consider if the game was designed by women would the POI have made it in. Fairly sure it wouldn't.

 

I do sense that TFP's do have some awareness of the issue. Female characters are getting better outfits; Stripper has actual clothes, nurse getting a typical gender neutral outfit rather have some cliche from the 50's (although every female character now has very large breasts which is also a real image issue for women). 

 

Please consider this feedback seriously. While the expectation is that the games market is male why put up barriers to females. More players equals more sales and a better community.

 

If you read this and agree please speak up.

 

Stop being a snowflake, is all I have to say. Also, Women can be just as pervy as men can be you'd be surprized at the amount of 18+ content that has a woman behind it. If you dislike them mod them out its very easy to do with a text editor, I suggest Notepad++ its free. Otherwise, deal with it, its a videogame not real life. So tired of people who have to complain about stuff like this, its not that bad, and if it hurts your feels that badly, you can mod it out, but why should the devs have to cater to prudes that lack a open mind? Get over yourself.

6 hours ago, Gouki said:

And I was going to add a "Sexshop" as a prefab, now I think I'll change it for my good (naaa, I won't).

 

The compopack of poi's that is made by a variety of people has a "sextoy rental store" poi in it, its actually rather funny inside it, the creator got very creative with that. I've only been in it once myself, a lot of the compopack poi's are extremly well done.

[Obsessive Compulsive]

What if we push for equality like many feminists demand. Male strippers. Does that fix it? I am meaning it as an honest question because I don't know where this ends. I find many things offensive in this world but I dont make them the focus of my life, particularly in games. Have you asked your daughters if they would feel awkward if such a thing were in the game. You might be surprised by their answer. Maybe you already asked them. Im just tossing out ideas.

I think the bondage of women through forced normatives and stereotypes of sexual perversion by humans expressing themselves as sexual beings is closer to a dogma or trope of catholic teachings or religious based zealotry. Maybe that is how you command your house hold, I dunno. Not trying to judge.

From my own experiences, the women with the most controlling parents were the most 'experimental' so be careful you are not just pushing them towards what you feel you must protect them from. Transparent open conversations can have a longer lasting effect with a growing bond between you both.

What if your daughter said she wants a sex change and seeing women as sexual beings was actually a turn on for them? Again, I have no idea and that is not my business which is why I have to recommend this topic should be semi off limits as you dragged your daughters in to the reasoning behind it.

A better argument would have been the progress and theme of such a POI to be added when some are still lacking or missing from the game such as an airport, train stations, subways, bus stops, and smaller stuff like fire hydrants and atmospheric elements.

That said, mods can cover this in both directions as in adding it or removing it. Some of the POI have basic letter across the front and a theme, not much more to it.

If this worries you, I would kind of hope the gratuitous violence at times would be more troubling as parts go flying. A20 is going to be even more spectacular in its limb loss and death animations. This is my own personal take but I would be far more concerned with the desensitization around killing things in violent ways vs poi with words on the front implying a sex trade that existed at one time before everything was wiped out in this world. Also I highly doubt anyone was thinking about making out with the zombies anytime soon

[MechanicalLens]

Goodness grief this post is still going on? Perhaps I should bookmark it and prepare popcorn every evening.

[Orclover]

I wonder if a future update could include a "PG" rating checkbox in the initial setup of the game world.  If unchecked (or a mature rating chosen in the drop down, whatever) it would enable all the raunchy POI's and bring back all the old models for the stripper zeds and maybe add some more.  Not sure if the programming gang wants to add yet another setting into the game though.