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Has this game turned from a scavenging game to a dungeon crawler?


Has this game turned into a dungeon crawler?  

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  1. 1. Do you consider the game more of a dungeon crawler and less of a horror/survival game?

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    • I'm in between.
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2 hours ago, Roland said:

Whereas if all you do is treat the game like a spreadsheet for leveling-up, then it really doesn’t matter whether you play this or Ark or Conan or Empyrion, or Valheim or....

I do not do spreadsheet leveling. :D But however those kind of games become more and more similar and the main difference in the end is just the "skin".

 

I play 7d2d, mainly because it's fully voxelized. But on the other hand, in the meanwhile i'm oversaturated with zombies (from various genres).

I play(ed) Empyrion, because of (voxel built) spaceships. However, exactly those voxel spaceships for me ALWAYS started to completely bug out, making the game unplayable sooner or later.

I play(ed) Ark, because the retro-futuristic setting is somehow nice and the main difference is, it's centered around the dinosaurs. Basically they do the work, not the player directly.

I play(ed) Minecraft, because it was the first crafting/voxel/survival game. ;)

 

I skipped Conan, because for me it looks like "more of the same" as Ark, just with a Conan skin.

I skipped Valheim, because it looks like "more of the same", just with vikings (and i absolutely dislike its graphics).

I skipped Green Hell, because different, but somehow anyway more of the same.

I skipped Atlas, because somehow it's Ark with pirates.

I skip such games in general, if they can't be played in multiplayer, because imho it's boring. I tried Subnautica once, and that confirmed my expectation, that SP is somehow boring.

 

In deed an interesting question, why do you play this but not that... :D

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On 4/2/2021 at 6:34 AM, meganoth said:

 

If you started in A15 then you have progressed from beginner to expert in that time which changes a lot. Yes. vanilla at default is easy, but vanilla is made that way for beginners and at the same time for people with minimum spec hardware. Experts are supposed to do some of the following things;

1) use mods

2) play on harder difficulites like insane

3) increase zombie numbers if your hardware allows it

4) decrease loot amount

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the only thing insane difficulty has done is turn zombies in do bloody damage sponges 😛

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10 hours ago, 7daysexpert said:

the only thing insane difficulty has done is turn zombies in do bloody damage sponges 😛

So what? It makes the game more difficult. Now increase zombie spawn like in most mods and zombies get harder. I listed 4 things to do, do it all and you will find yourself challenged.

Or start A16 again and feel as bored as you are now. I know, I have visited the hub city in A15 when I had more experience with the game and it was much less dangerous than when I had been a newbie.

 

 

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Personally, I have played this game enough to find the vanilla, “all defaults” game way too easy. From what I read on these forums:

- this happens to a lot of people.

- this is by design, per TFP

 

there are some global pre game defaults to change to make the game “harder” and I usually change some. I personally find that I don’t enjoy putting the game to “insane” setting because the zeds become bullet sponges.  I like zeds to go down in a way that feels “better”.

 

I also like finding loot though, so I don’t normally turn down the loot percentage, but I believe this is a good idea (as mentioned above)

 

personally, the solution I have come up with to make the game feel more  “survival” and less  “dungeon crawler” is to do everything in my power to make the “early game” last as long as possible.  So I play modded games.

 

to do this, I have found this kind of works:

- load in as many mods as you can that cripple the player (high infection rates, small backpack size, increase darkness of nighttime, punish punish punish!)

- load in as many mods as you can to add as much content as possible.   The point of this is to break the “I know how everything works” concept as well as to dilute the loot tables a lot.

- load in as many zed mods as possible to make them faster, more dangerous, more numerous. Snufkins zed mods, all the creature packs, telrics, etc.

- feel free to add as many weapon mods as possible.

- load up the compbopack

- generate a random map.

 

then play some test games. Maybe to the first horde. Anything that seems to make you “OP”, you either remove that mod or hand tune the mods XML as you see fit.  Usually this is just lowering a loot value or dropping a single number.

 

I find if I do this “to make me happy” I have a game so hard (for me) that I literally cannot enter most POI’s for DAYS without the real possibility of dying.  I can take on a zed or two, but 3? Likely to die unless I can get high ground. Eventually I am able to take over a POI and build a base and things are a tiny bit easier. And then it’s more survival grind just to take over more POIs.  Then horde night hits and I have no ammo, etc.  usually in these games I finally get 1 item (like a bicycle/car) and it’s like YESSSs! All over again. Sure, the POIs are all mostly dungeon crawlers, bits it’s much more fun now as they are very dangerous, but I can still kill a “normal” zed with 3-4 well paced hits with a club. But not all zeds are “normal” on day 1, so it’s easy to get hit and suffer.

 

and when I see a “not normal looking vanilla zed”, I usually try to avoid it as it likely is OP and will wipe me out as I literally cannot defeat it with early game weapons.

 

anyway, just throwing this out there.  The only other option i can see is to load up any of the mod overhauls and play them, as they are generally harder and more varied, and I recommend this to most people as hand tuning a modded game takes some time.

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On 4/1/2021 at 4:21 AM, Liesel Weppen said:

Imho the current lootstages are to strict, however i think it is still better than complete randomnes.

 

Best way imho is a risk-vs-reward system. In theory you should be able to find a M60 on day one. If you are brave enough to go into a shotgun messiah factory on day one. And ofc the difficulty in the factory has to be high on day one also.

But that requires lootdrops to be bound to POIs instead of just what type of lootcrate. You should not be able to find a M60 from a shotgun messiah crate in a lonely garage where not even a single zombie spawns. But you should be able to find a M60 in the same kind of shotgun messiah crate if you made your way through the factory.

The second thing is, that requires also difficulty to be bound to POIs instead of just the players gamestage. There should spawn cops and radiateds in a factory, even on day one, when the player is still just gamestage 1.

 

And if i understood it correctly, this is about to come true with A20.

 

In my opinion there should also still be a few oh %#$@ moments that pop up every once in a while, but nothing too extreme. You're not going to find a level 6 M60 on day 1, no sirree. But rather perhaps small but ultimately insignificant jumps such as rarely finding a level 1 iron pickaxe on day 1. Now you can smash open doors faster, but it drains more stamina. Sure it might take less hits to harvest stone, but the stamina problem comes into play once again. Unless you loot a Pass-N-Gas and find a stack of repair kits on day 1, you probably won't be able to afford repairing that pick anyway. Another example is a rare chance of finding a level 1 chainsaw on day 1. Potential lack of repair kits comes into question again, as does a high need for fuel. One final example would be that very rare piece of quality level 1 iron or leather armor on the first day. Sure that piece of armor would grant you greater protection than the lower tier scrap iron/padded armors (but certainly not the higher quality level versions of those items) but at the cost of stamina regen reduction and mobility. (I'm making the final example since the outfit system has been delayed until A21 at least.)

 

As an extension to what I've said above, hopefully gamestaged POI's make it into A20.

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On 4/2/2021 at 4:16 PM, Roland said:

Exactly. Whereas if all you do is treat the game like a spreadsheet for leveling-up

When you posted this, I had a guilty laugh 😆.  Not that I do spreadsheet leveling-up, just that in several long play games, I have used Excel spreadsheets to track things, like when I use the Sim Settlements mod and use a spreadsheet to track my Empire. 🤔

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1 minute ago, BFT2020 said:

When you posted this, I had a guilty laugh 😆.  Not that I do spreadsheet leveling-up, just that in several long play games, I have used Excel spreadsheets to track things, like when I use the Sim Settlements mod and use a spreadsheet to track my Empire. 🤔

 

There is a 7D2D skill calculator if you're interested. 😛

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16 hours ago, meganoth said:

So what? It makes the game more difficult. Now increase zombie spawn like in most mods and zombies get harder. I listed 4 things to do, do it all and you will find yourself challenged.

Or start A16 again and feel as bored as you are now. I know, I have visited the hub city in A15 when I had more experience with the game and it was much less dangerous than when I had been a newbie.

 

 

cant increase zombie spawns or amount of BM zombies my PC cant  handle it even with teh standard 8 default zombies i have trouble

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