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8 hours ago, Kirill_226RUS said:

@faatal, will the saves from A20 experimental be compatible with A20 stable? And if you don't know it now, when will it become known?

It will be the same as the past experimentals. They will probably load, but not recommended. Often people will get bugs using previous versions as we adjust data throughout the experimental period.

6 hours ago, Guppycur said:

Yeh the cool special looking things on these new zombies will even further showcase the lack of zombie diversity in game.  It'd be cool if there were regular mundane zombies but when you see 50 soldiers coming at you and they all have the same vest tear and same exact guts bouncing around, it'll really highlight just how badly the game needs variants.

 

Don't get me wrong, they're cool looking AF, but I'm still right.

 

My *recommendation* would be to take a zombie, say the soldier, make ONE version and then have different children on the mesh have the variations, then on spawn roll a random number to decide which child is shown and which is hidden, so that you can have multiple variants using the same model.  One child has the guts, another a bite wound, another a clothing tear, another a sidearm, another a rank insignia, etc... all hidden, then on spawn it decides which 1, 2 or 3 of those children get shown, and voila, instant variants.

 

I know this method already works, because science tells me so. 😃 

I have pointed this out. The more distinctive they make then, the more repetitive it looks. I see 5 soldiers and they all somehow died the same? Having special characteristics be optional would be a good place to get to.

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2 minutes ago, Adam the Waster said:

So how come they went for it?

cuz it does look very silly

It was already done like that. My opinion came after. That is how development goes. People do things. Others make comments. Sometimes things change. Round and round it goes. I often do things without input because I think it will be cool, then sometimes you have to go back and refine it from other's opinions.

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1 minute ago, faatal said:

It was already done like that. My opinion came after. That is how development goes. People do things. Others make comments. Sometimes things change. Round and round it goes. I often do things without input because I think it will be cool, then sometimes you have to go back and refine it from other's opinions.

true and plus in the case of the solder it could be fixed easily if it changes so they don't really need to make it from starch again 

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1 hour ago, faatal said:

It was already done like that. My opinion came after. That is how development goes. People do things. Others make comments. Sometimes things change. Round and round it goes. I often do things without input because I think it will be cool, then sometimes you have to go back and refine it from other's opinions.

 

1 hour ago, Adam the Waster said:

true and plus in the case of the solder it could be fixed easily if it changes so they don't really need to make it from starch again 

Both @faatal and @Adam the Waster talk about more zombie variants ( i mean diffrent looks for this same type of zombie). this mean i probably died  and i'm in heaven (or in mental asylum). Honestly "dead zombies" are harder too make good that  "living zombies" - if you saw 2 this some 1 eye zombie in this same house you could start thinking about fighting with clone army. If all zombies are barefoot , in destroyed pants and thirts but with diffrent faces colours of clothes you can avoid " clone army" problem- that's why zombies from days gone looks that way. Btw how turtle rock and valve create so many variants in l4d idk- even in 1 you have unique variants - docs and patients in hospital or pilots in airport. 

Honestly i wish l4d2 became "refrence " for another types of zombie games- perfect kiling effect ( and 7dtd is rly close to it), a lot of zombie variants and "mixes" ( like this same pilot zombie but diffrent heads) and behave ( honestly i hope someday we will get random sleepers  zombies on street , sitting on bench, lying in water but not in POI but outside)

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1 hour ago, faatal said:

It was already done like that. My opinion came after. That is how development goes. People do things. Others make comments. Sometimes things change. Round and round it goes. I often do things without input because I think it will be cool, then sometimes you have to go back and refine it from other's opinions.

Confirmed, alpha 26 will have another rework of the zombies... :)

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7 hours ago, faatal said:

I have pointed this out. The more distinctive they make then, the more repetitive it looks. I see 5 soldiers and they all somehow died the same? Having special characteristics be optional would be a good place to get to.

Honestly, what we reslly need is colour variants on non-special Zds and a bigger animation pool both for each special and for all the Zds in general. 5-10 sets of animations shows right after 7 hours in. Just more walking and attacking patterns will do it (like triple the number and randomize it). Right now in a19 the spider does quite a bit compared to the rest but even then it gets repetitive. That needn't be optional and It's a must.

 

PD: Gore, on the other hand, should be focused on 2 year-old sensitive humans, to make them strong. So always off for Roland. He is too wise.

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Question for Devs...

 

Is it possible to have the death animation an option?

I mean it looks fine but in some instances it can get you killed.

You die many seconds of agony lol.

you come back frozen wiping your forehead, and i had it happen many times now, a zombie is in area and he gets a free meal.

by the time i regain control i am already stunned and almost defenceless.

 

I miss the days when it wasn't in game.

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too early many spel errs (see edit history)
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I've been reading over 49 pages since seeing the twitch stream and finally coming to the forums I think that death animation should also be an option I died 1 too many times watching my arm sweep my face unable to move til it completes

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1 hour ago, TurtleJ said:

I've been reading over 49 pages since seeing the twitch stream and finally coming to the forums I think that death animation should also be an option I died 1 too many times watching my arm sweep my face unable to move til it completes


This issue was discussed recently by the team and the plan is to only have that arm wiping brow animation for the very first spawn of the game and not for respawning after death. I’m not sure exactly when they will get to that though. 

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4 hours ago, Roland said:


This issue was discussed recently by the team and the plan is to only have that arm wiping brow animation for the very first spawn of the game and not for respawning after death. I’m not sure exactly when they will get to that though. 

 

Look up "Undertaker rising gif" and you've hit gold. ;)

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5 hours ago, Roland said:


This issue was discussed recently by the team and the plan is to only have that arm wiping brow animation for the very first spawn of the game and not for respawning after death. I’m not sure exactly when they will get to that though. 

Can we add more animations for rol-players? So when we respawn we can turn off the alarm clock. dress, shave, have breakfast, take a facemask and go on to find the backpack? OMG That will be so realistic and immersive you wouldn't believe it! 

 

Please and thank you.

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3 hours ago, Matt115 said:

Well i don't think a lot of player need this. And it could be quiet annoying waste of time- like take on shoes need time, eating need more time etc. this would in some sitations make game a lot of slower for non rolplayers. Well in battle royale this have a sens- use quicker bandage or waste more time using first kit. But animations in 7dtd are good enough

He seemed to be joking. Either way, not happening.

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