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12 hours ago, madmole said:

They have been around forever. Screamer, fat cop, spider are all special. We have some new ones planned but are not sure when they will arrive. Tourist zombie will become a special infected once the code is in for him.

 

1 hour ago, madmole said:

The first step is to replace everything, and get new HD player outfits working, which also opens the door to bandit models. If everything is running good yet there may be room for additional basic zombies.

 

 

I think most players like myself have been subjected to these 'special zombies' so much during game play they become the 'native zombie' and we are now so used to them they lost there 'special' title. I know ones like the demolisher do not show up till later on (would like to see these just wondering around as I rarely see them myself) but the majority of the zombies are there from day one and get old fast.

 

We need more native/generic zombies with different hair and clothes to fill up the world more, then these 'special' zombies will yet again regain there title as special.  :)

 

 

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Will these new armor sets replace the old rags, leather, scrap and steel armor sets, or will the new armor sets be additional armor sets to what is already in the game?

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8 hours ago, hotpoon said:

Hello devs. Have you looked at what mods people are using (assuming telemetry data shows this)? And if, so would you consider making changes based on that? For example, if a lot of people are using bigger backpack / bigger stack size mods, is that something you would consider tweaking?

No we don't really look at mods, we have a huge list of stuff we want to do and don't need ideas nor care what 1% of the player base might be doing to their game. I hope that doesn't sound arrogant, but reflects the fact that we have a clear roadmap and list of features we need to focus on. A larger inventory is something we would like to see though. The distant POI tech is coming from a modder though. So if something brilliant comes up usually we hear about it even though we aren't looking for things if that makes sense.

5 hours ago, beHypE said:

Haven't been able to watch the stream yet but from the list above (thank you by the way) , I don't see any big changes regarding gameplay ? Vehicle mods are a nice addition and the 3 pipe guns will make early days more convenient for everyone, but there seems to be nothing drastically gamechanging or adding/renewing the challenge.

 

Has there been more detailed information regarding the very linear progression system of A19 that A20 was supposed to improve ?

I did mention new AI like zeds crawling through 1 meter egress and windows, which will make horde nights a lot more challenging. Feral sense options. Game play is constantly evolving but will always be similar to A18. Progression is getting a complete rewrite from scratch.

5 hours ago, JasonX said:

If bandits are proving so hard, why not let the community help out with the modelling, animations and coding? Surely there is some assets or source code that can be released, or some problem statement that we can help brainstorm around.  

OMG LOL.

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4 hours ago, MechanicalLens said:

While conventional clothing (dusters, boots, bandanas, shirts, pants, etc.) will be removed and the current armor sets we know will be gone, I'm nonetheless interested to see where these outfits will take us. I just hope there's enough variety among them so that we don't find entire sets, even if some are of poor quality levels, relatively early on. (Also, I assume that clothing mods will be removed, such as the skullcap mod and the cowboy hat mod? Just curious.)

Edit: Unless I misunderstood what Joel meant, in which case, feel free to correct me.

Well think if everything has quality, and there's at least 10 sets of outfits how long it might take to actually find a full set. There is a cowboy hat, but it is part of a specific outfit. The skull cap is the lumberjack hat. A lot of the stuff we have now will sort of be there in some fashion, but everything has meaning to it now instead of everything useless except for steel or military armor. There might be a fair amount of choice deciding what outfit best works for your build, or strong desire to collect a full legendary miner outfit.

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19 minutes ago, Survager said:

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Will these new armor sets replace the old rags, leather, scrap and steel armor sets, or will the new armor sets be additional armor sets to what is already in the game?

Everything is getting deleted and there will be new outfits you can find and craft. The lineup isn't complete so I cannot confirm what might resemble old content, but a lot of the nostalgic things are sticking around in some way or another. Like I mentioned the skull cap is now lumberjack cap.

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You wrote that you plan to add at least 10 sets of clothes.
Question: can some items of clothing participate in several sets at once?

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It sounds like the electrical system isn't getting any updates/love. Is that for this update or 'ever' ? I'm a nerd, I like engineering stuff. The electrical system is super enticing but sort of... I don't want to sound insulting, but it almost feels half baked. Is there a chance we'll see more on that system in the future to flesh it out a bit more and correct some of the odd/counterintuitive behaviors? 

 

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22 minutes ago, SteamM0nkey said:

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It sounds like the electrical system isn't getting any updates/love. Is that for this update or 'ever' ? I'm a nerd, I like engineering stuff. The electrical system is super enticing but sort of... I don't want to sound insulting, but it almost feels half baked. Is there a chance we'll see more on that system in the future to flesh it out a bit more and correct some of the odd/counterintuitive behaviors? 

 

On that note will we ever see the ability to make basic logic gates for the electrical system like and/or gates and such.

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1 hour ago, Survager said:

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You wrote that you plan to add at least 10 sets of clothes.
Question: can some items of clothing participate in several sets at once?

I don't know what you mean, but you can wear anything you find.

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6 minutes ago, madmole said:

I don't know what you mean, but you can wear anything you find.

I think they're asking about the possibility of additional "set bonuses" for combining different pieces from across sets according to their taste. As in a piece from scavenger, a piece from the farmer and a couple pieces from other sets put together to get a different "set bonus" from what you would get if you wore all of one set.

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@madmoleI hope the repair quests actually lead to something changing in the world.   If we go through the effort of fixing up a POI, I'd hope that it would then be used for something by the trader.   It would be pretty (forgive me for saying) immersion breaking to then see the POI remain abandoned.  It would be pretty cool to see that we fixed it up for a reason.

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Hoping to see dual wielding in a future alpha, dual revolvers would look cool, also a few variations of revolvers too like a mosin nagant or something to that effect 

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@madmoleSo the downside I am seeing of this new clothing/armor thing is that my brain will want to always switch sets depending on my activity.   I'm gonna go chop trees.. gotta find my lumberjack clothes and put those on.  I'm going to mine for a while.. Gotta go find my mining outfit and put that one. etc etc etc.   Im going to want to constantly switch outfits depending on what I am doing.. its micromanagement that is not fun, but would help your play.. a lot.

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@madmoleA quest chain from traders that involves turning back on power plants , water plants and other utilities and farms/factories...leading to the eventual build up of traders , their goods , their forts etc. Like a slight upgrade to available items etc as you progress in "restoring civilization"

 

That would be a nice addition , that would at least give the illusion that you are working to making it better for the other survivors 

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19 hours ago, madmole said:

They have been around forever. Screamer, fat cop, spider are all special. We have some new ones planned but are not sure when they will arrive. Tourist zombie will become a special infected once the code is in for him.

Right that makes sense, last I heard on one of the A19 live streams the radiated feral zombies will be more than just making the zombies glow green. It that a thing or am I making things up?

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3 hours ago, hiemfire said:

I think they're asking about the possibility of additional "set bonuses" for combining different pieces from across sets according to their taste. As in a piece from scavenger, a piece from the farmer and a couple pieces from other sets put together to get a different "set bonus" from what you would get if you wore all of one set.

No, that would be like getting the book set bonus for not actually collecting the whole series. You will have to wear the entire outfit to get the full set bonus.

 

2 hours ago, Kalen said:

@madmoleI hope the repair quests actually lead to something changing in the world.   If we go through the effort of fixing up a POI, I'd hope that it would then be used for something by the trader.   It would be pretty (forgive me for saying) immersion breaking to then see the POI remain abandoned.  It would be pretty cool to see that we fixed it up for a reason.

What repair quest? That isn't in the roadmap.

1 hour ago, Mattjo6294 said:

Hoping to see dual wielding in a future alpha, dual revolvers would look cool, also a few variations of revolvers too like a mosin nagant or something to that effect 

It is never coming. Requires starting over completely and we're basically 95% done with weapons.

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What about players who bought this years ago to play in some kind of realistic zombie scenario? We could not predict that game with unique structural integrity, raw graphics and dark atmosphere will get increasingly goofier first magical food, then magical candy and then magical apparel and armor sets (or skills that make your machine gun fire faster if you put some points into it xD).

 

Will there be 1 option to tick to disable all stuff like "be better thief after you eat candy" or "be better miner if you wear mining hat" or "negate fall damage if you got 5000 dukes in inventory"?

 

If UMA is going away, are we still going to be able to create and use varied archetypes with new system? Like those:

 Some of us would rather have 30+ variations of zombies than just boring moe, boe, fat momma copied and pasted everywhere. Special modeled zombies should be bosses with unique powers or something, so mixed between not-so-special looking UMA zombies they would invoke "oh @%$# a boss" reaction instead. Or at least give moes and boes etc. randomized clothes, hair and skin colors.

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27 minutes ago, Adam the Waster said:

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Are we getting any Class for intellect range weapons?
If someone says junk turret ill eat you!  

Turrets are ranged weapons. Hold and shoot.

20 minutes ago, Demonoid74 said:

@madmoleA quest chain from traders that involves turning back on power plants , water plants and other utilities and farms/factories...leading to the eventual build up of traders , their goods , their forts etc. Like a slight upgrade to available items etc as you progress in "restoring civilization"

 

That would be a nice addition , that would at least give the illusion that you are working to making it better for the other survivors 

That is just role playing. The actual mechanics of the quest are what matters. Our game isn't going to be a heavy RPG, it is how it is with expanded variety of quests we can get a lot of miles out of. As much as I'd like to do one off quests with flavor, special items, etc I don't think we have the manpower or the code ready to fly on something that ambitious, but completing 7 days would be a good step to get more ambitious on the next game when we have time and budget to tackle more immersive stuff. But since it is a MP game, and resources are tight, we can't just spawn NPC survivors at a POI doing chores just for immersion sake. Once you leave the area it might get reset for another player to do the same quest, so I don't think we can do what you are asking without compromising the experience for everyone in MP.

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5 minutes ago, kebab39 said:

What about players who bought this years ago to play in some kind of realistic zombie scenario? We could not predict that game with unique structural integrity, raw graphics and dark atmosphere will get increasingly goofier first magical food, then magical candy and then magical apparel and armor sets (or skills that make your machine gun fire faster if you put some points into it xD).

 

Will there be 1 option to tick to disable all stuff like "be better thief after you eat candy" or "be better miner if you wear mining hat" or "negate fall damage if you got 5000 dukes in inventory"?

 

If UMA is going away, are we still going to be able to create and use varied archetypes with new system? Like those:

 Some of us would rather have 30+ variations of zombies than just boring moe, boe, fat momma copied and pasted everywhere. Special modeled zombies should be bosses with unique powers or something, so mixed between not-so-special looking UMA zombies they would invoke "oh @%$# a boss" reaction instead. Or at least give moes and boes etc. randomized clothes, hair and skin colors.

 The game is exactly as we described it on the kickstarter 7 years ago, but your interpretation of what those features might look like and play like is different than ours. Magical food? Dude food is magic IRL. You can cure diseases with the proper food, coffee gives you buffs in real life, etc. Ours is gamey so it makes sense to players. What is candy is really drugs, or drugs packaged in candy bags. Future drugs, set in a future game. It isn't that hard to believe.

UMA will be gone and no UMA code will work. If you want to add new zombies you model and texture them just like we do.

 

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7 minutes ago, madmole said:

UMA will be gone and no UMA code will work. If you want to add new zombies you model and texture them just like we do.

 

So if I want to have 1 zombie that wears hat and trousers, and another one that does not wear it and have a helmet there instead, I would have to make a separate models for those variation? Or there is a way to swap their clothes more easily (let's say they are all rigged properly to skeleton etc.)?

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14 minutes ago, madmole said:

That is just role playing. The actual mechanics of the quest are what matters. Our game isn't going to be a heavy RPG, it is how it is with expanded variety of quests we can get a lot of miles out of. As much as I'd like to do one off quests with flavor, special items, etc I don't think we have the manpower or the code ready to fly on something that ambitious, but completing 7 days would be a good step to get more ambitious on the next game when we have time and budget to tackle more immersive stuff. But since it is a MP game, and resources are tight, we can't just spawn NPC survivors at a POI doing chores just for immersion sake. Once you leave the area it might get reset for another player to do the same quest, so I don't think we can do what you are asking without compromising the experience for everyone in MP.

Thank you for the explanation. Although these kinds of immersive quests would be cool, I understand what you are saying. You guys are pushing for gold and have a vision, I believe in the Fun Pimps Plan!

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8 hours ago, RhinoW said:

Considering the new generator quest, wouldn't it also be a good time to revise and improve the existing quests?

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- Fetch -----> (Person) needs (amount) (item)   [RNG]

They would have specific PoI's and items to collect in normal containers (for example, collecting grades of beer, gas, ammo, break into a safe)

It's rather boring finding the same "Riverwood supplies" hidden in the same place

I had a similar thought, my quest would be to scavenge certain items and sell them to the trader at an increased  price. For example,  you would be told "we have a special project starting and we need electrical parts:  for the next 3 days the sell price is doubled"

 

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@Madmole

Now at 19 Alpha, you must complete 10 quests of a certain level in order to unlock the next trader.
For instance:
- to open the third trader, I have to complete 10 quests of the second level.
- to open the fourth trader, I have to complete 10 quests of the third level.
- to open the fifth trader, I have to complete 10 quests of the fourth level.

In Alpha 20, I will be able to switch quest tabs and select low level quests. If the completion of these quests is counted without checking the level of the quest, then I can very quickly open all the traders by simply completing the first level quests.

Will the game require you to complete quests of a certain level in order to unlock the next trader?

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1 hour ago, madmole said:

What repair quest? That isn't in the roadmap.

Sorry, was talking about the quest you demo'd to repair the generator

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