BeakyDorcus Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 To the tune of "Oh Christmas Tree" (oder "Oh Tannenbaum") "Oh flattened barb Oh flattened barb You lay neat fore our defenses You slowed them up You tore them up We swore you ripped us just as much Oh bring back barb Oh bring back barb Barb Fence is not aesthetic! A simple barb wire fore the fort, A hit or two as good as new We saw thru you, We shot thru you Oh bring back barb wire for our defenses" Dear Father Christmas (aka Madmole) For this Christmas I would like a bit of Barb wire to play with my zombie playmates again. I've not been a naughty boy, and I love ur game ;-) Ps Barb Wire pleeeeeeeese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ac75 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 To the tune of "Oh Christmas Tree" (oder "Oh Tannenbaum") "Oh flattened barb Oh flattened barb You lay neat fore our defenses You slowed them up You tore them up We swore you ripped us just as much Oh bring back barb Oh bring back barb Barb Fence is not aesthetic! A simple barb wire fore the fort, A hit or two as good as new We saw thru you, We shot thru you Oh bring back barb wire for our defenses" Dear Father Christmas (aka Madmole) For this Christmas I would like a bit of Barb wire to play with my zombie playmates again. I've not been a naughty boy, and I love ur game ;-) Ps Barb Wire pleeeeeeeese Music is my real job.Very well done. Why did they remove it? No, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalarro Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Why did they remove it? No, really. Because this is the constantly shoot fireguns alpha, not the build and craft cool things alpha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birkenhoff Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Why did they remove it? No, really. IIRC from the A18 Dev Diary: It was OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranticDan Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 You can edit the recipes xml file to add them back in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeakyDorcus Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 You can edit the recipes xml file to add them back in Interesting. I'm not a computer programmer, how would I do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenpaiThatIngnoresYou Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 IIRC from the A18 Dev Diary: It was OP. You know, they could have either raised the crafting cost or lowered the hp. I liked the barbed wire sheets, i think everyone did. I was not a big fan of logged spikes, they looked stupid and how do you hurt yourself on those? but the barbed wire was pretty useful. I was hoping they would let it get updated to razor wire, and really hurt everything that touched it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synvastian Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 lowering the Hp wouldn't have helped if you placed it under poles X__X XppX XwwX (2 wide hallway with walls on each side with poles on the lower half of the second block) X is wall, p is pole and w is wire this setup protected the wire from being run into, but since it affected the whole block even if the "wire" itself wasn't hit, it was considered OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringkeeper Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Interesting. I'm not a computer programmer, how would I do it? https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?129739-MeanCloud-s-Barbed-Wire-for-A18-modlet here you find a modlet for it ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeakyDorcus Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?129739-MeanCloud-s-Barbed-Wire-for-A18-modlet here you find a modlet for it ^^ Many thanks, this looks good. I don't understand the OP reason for removing it, on Warrior I found it balanced, they could generally-after a bit of Michael Jackson dance style moves-eventually walk over two rows of it, and after a 7 day event I often had to replace sections were they went across en masse. Indestructible it definitely wasn't, and I found it had to be a weak type zombie before it killed. Thanks again for all the replies and help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seagas Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 While more involved, it works as before and unless a cop explodes, it does not get damaged. I had for day 14 horde so not to hard to get early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellsmoke Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I've been good all year and want a jail door for Christmas. Need a door that I can shoot through and it was the only double door in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktoriusiii Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 lowering the Hp wouldn't have helped if you placed it under poles X__X XppX XwwX (2 wide hallway with walls on each side with poles on the lower half of the second block) X is wall, p is pole and w is wire this setup protected the wire from being run into, but since it affected the whole block even if the "wire" itself wasn't hit, it was considered OP I know... I KNOW this might sound a bit crazy to TFPs... and their followers... but... and this is just a crazy idea... what if you'd just fix them to remove the exploit? *insert shocked face here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synvastian Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I know... I KNOW this might sound a bit crazy to TFPs... and their followers... but... and this is just a crazy idea... what if you'd just fix them to remove the exploit? *insert shocked face here* oh, no doubt, but I think the thought process was the fact they had 2 types of the exact same item, just that 1 worked as THEY intended, and the other was OP, so they tossed the one that was OP and kept the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guardianangelmp Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I know... I KNOW this might sound a bit crazy to TFPs... and their followers... but... and this is just a crazy idea... what if you'd just fix them to remove the exploit? *insert shocked face here* Work to keep variety in the game?! *shocked face* FOR SHAME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSHerrante Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 why this have been removed from the build menu? They are essentials for the base defense system in the firsts hordes and the eventual herrant horde attacks especially if is a runner horde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synvastian Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 why this have been removed from the build menu? They are essentials for the base defense system in the firsts hordes and the eventual herrant horde attacks especially if is a runner horde. um aren't all the bloodmoon hordes runners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSHerrante Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 um aren't all the bloodmoon hordes runners? Runners hordes during normal nights and concatenated screamers are very frequent, especially if you have a very hot base (many working tables and furnaces processing material at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeakyDorcus Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 While more involved, it works as before and unless a cop explodes, it does not get damaged. I had for day 14 horde so not to hard to get early. An interesting concept, I would just need to see if I could incorporate it into my normal base design, or rethink the approaches. Thanks ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quyxkh Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Runners hordes during normal nights and concatenated screamers are very frequent, especially if you have a very hot base (many working tables and furnaces processing material at the same time. Digging a shaft 30m down for your industrial core is night 2 now that forge is a 1pp spend. pete, trex, 69er, cardio, chef, forge. So by day 3 you're in full padded armor with a load of red tea and an iron club and iron arrowheads, plus whatever you scrounged on the way. Wolves and vultures will keep you careful but they're more meat-and-feathers than fear-and-loathing. The flat barbed wire was OP because you could pop it in a doorway and then basically just stand there, anything short of a bm horde was just grind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ac75 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 IIRC from the A18 Dev Diary: It was OP. So they remove Barbed Wire but give us a lawnmower size laser sighted auto turret we can poop out of our pocket, lol Yeah. Great idea..... - - - Updated - - - lowering the Hp wouldn't have helped if you placed it under poles X__X XppX XwwX (2 wide hallway with walls on each side with poles on the lower half of the second block) X is wall, p is pole and w is wire this setup protected the wire from being run into, but since it affected the whole block even if the "wire" itself wasn't hit, it was considered OP Wow, interesting Kind of another example of them not fixing something, just removing it altogether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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