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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07R8WJMW6

 

GPU

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PHWBHHX

 

$710

 

If you find them on sale, you can get as low as $500. (I know, because I did this a year ago for a gift.)

It will get a stable 60FPS with almost everything on max at 1080p.

 

If I were to really shop around some, I guarantee I can find a better deal. That's just from two minutes on Amazon.

 

Yeah that looks okay I guess, I'd upgrade to a gfx card with 8gb probably and 16gb ram is pretty much standard today, then you'd be at that $800 low budget more or less as mentioned.

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If you do deal-hunting you very well can build a 300-500$ PC that'll run games better than the dutch-oven consoles. It may not play at Mega-Ultra 8k resolution, but it'll play games. And you don't have to pay for the *cough extortion fees cough* online service, while getting the same discount/deals/free games.

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If you do deal-hunting you very well can build a 300-500$ PC that'll run games better than the dutch-oven consoles. It may not play at Mega-Ultra 8k resolution, but it'll play games. And you don't have to pay for the *cough extortion fees cough* online service, while getting the same discount/deals/free games.

 

Sure you "can" buld a cheap pc that runs "games" but we are talking about this game which is a voxel game and it is far from optimized. Sure you can buy a pc for $300-$500 dollars but you will not enjoy the experience. You will have a very low frame rate and you will be sacrificing a lot of gfx details. If you want to enjoy the game like the streamers you watch you're going to have to spend a bit more. My budget ended up at $1200 to play this and every game at 1080p all settings on ultra. If you already play on console, save up a bit longer and take the better experience but that's my opinion of course.

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Sure you "can" buld a cheap pc that runs "games" but we are talking about this game which is a voxel game and it is far from optimized. Sure you can buy a pc for $300-$500 dollars but you will not enjoy the experience. You will have a very low frame rate and you will be sacrificing a lot of gfx details. If you want to enjoy the game like the streamers you watch you're going to have to spend a bit more. My budget ended up at $1200 to play this and every game at 1080p all settings on ultra. If you already play on console, save up a bit longer and take the better experience but that's my opinion of course.

 

That's... literally what I said... geeze lol. Both consoles could barely run 7 days at A16, and most - if not all - games on consoles run at terrible framerates. If you absolutely HAVE to have ultra graphics like your streamers then yes you'll be spending 800$. You overpaid, why I said discount-hunt. Unless you need fancy RGB puke gear and all of that jazz to enjoy your games. My HP laptop can run the game on medium graphics at better framerate than consoles ran the game lol. Like Syl said, you don't need +1000$ to run at high settings.

 

Don't forget not everyone knows you can get significant increase in performance by optimizing your OS, reducing in cost in gear.

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It's like he can't see my post with a $700 build that will do a very solid 60FPS. Get those on sale, and it's easily $500. Only want to spend $300-$500? You will still be able to get 30-40FPS which is better than the solid 30 you got on the console.

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It's like he can't see my post with a $700 build that will do a very solid 60FPS. Get those on sale, and it's easily $500. Only want to spend $300-$500? You will still be able to get 30-40FPS which is better than the solid 30 you got on the console.

 

Right? Lol. I bet, if you really spend some time bargain hunting, you can do the 700$ build for 400$. You can catch some really good deals, especially if you live near a Microcenter.

 

Hell, you may need to sacrifice 1080 on 7 days and stick to some medium/some high settings with low shadows/lighting, but there have been known Ryzen 5 builds using no graphics card getting 60 - 80 FPS on recent titles, add a cheapo gfx card and you add that much more power lol.

 

You don't need 1000$ to run the game, nor need it to run it on ultra. He lost any credit to me by saying you have to play on ultra to enjoy the game anyway lol.

 

By the way, you can get 20 - 30 FPS by building 200$ PCs, those are cheap ones. The 300 - 500 range is mid-range, not cheap. For 1000$ you should be able to run 2 7 days to die games at once lol.

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Ugh why have to turn into a cost building a pc conservation

 

- - - Updated - - -

 

Want thank sly for some useful info but then convo went building pc building thanks

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Right? Lol. I bet, if you really spend some time bargain hunting, you can do the 700$ build for 400$. You can catch some really good deals, especially if you live near a Microcenter.

 

Hell, you may need to sacrifice 1080 on 7 days and stick to some medium/some high settings with low shadows/lighting, but there have been known Ryzen 5 builds using no graphics card getting 60 - 80 FPS on recent titles, add a cheapo gfx card and you add that much more power lol.

 

You don't need 1000$ to run the game, nor need it to run it on ultra. He lost any credit to me by saying you have to play on ultra to enjoy the game anyway lol.

 

By the way, you can get 20 - 30 FPS by building 200$ PCs, those are cheap ones. The 300 - 500 range is mid-range, not cheap. For 1000$ you should be able to run 2 7 days to die games at once lol.

 

I think you misunderstand the part where they said they dont want to build their own pc. Even assuming you can get that setup for $400-$500 you still need a monitor to play on which is reasonably another $100. That is more than double the cost of current gen consoles.

 

He also brought up a valid point in whats the point of wasting $400-$500 on a pc to run bare minimum settings on a game? Sure you can get a high frame rate but its going to look like trash. I'd much rather play full settings on a consol with a lower frame rate then dropping visual quality to minimums. If you want both frames and FPS a complete setup for $700-$800 isn't really unrealistic.

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cybertronpc-rhodium-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-3-2200g-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-2tb-hard-drive-green/5024903.p?skuId=5024903

 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-se2717hr-27-ips-led-fhd-freesync-monitor-piano-black/5996200.p?skuId=5996200

 

Thats the minimum i would even consider running this game on and your at roughly $800

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If you do deal-hunting you very well can build a 300-500$ PC that'll run games better than the dutch-oven consoles. It may not play at Mega-Ultra 8k resolution,

That should no be that hard. What i have seen from YT-Videos, the console-version of 7d2d looks like PC on ultra-low. Especially the view distance makes it feel more like silent hill as i remember it from the psx.

Honestly, if the PC-version would have only that graphics, i wouldn't even play it.

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Ugh why have to turn into a cost building a pc conservation

 

- - - Updated - - -

 

Want thank sly for some useful info but then convo went building pc building thanks

 

It's because having a PC opens your world to games like 7 days. You'll be able to enjoy them better; building PCs is a very easy task which saves a ton of money while getting better parts overall, why it's being suggested. Even if a miracle is pulled off and a port of gold PC 7 days is actually successful, you're missing out on modding the game to your liking, you're stuck with what you get. You can't even change graphics options.

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You have to understand the mods on here play on PC and give no cares for the plight of console users. I mean really why would they care when it was our money that helped their version get to where it is? It's pure idiocy to suggest buying a $300 computer to run this game and goes to show they have 0 clue. The original OP was right in suggesting a half way decent gaming rig would cost about $1000 and this game isnt worth that cost. Sly is merely playing puppet to TFP and telling people to buy a pc since he knows the console version is doomed while under the control of TFP

I forgot to reply to this earlier. This statement is wholly false.

 

I do actually have and play the console version on the PS4. I have been supporting the console version since it came out. In this very forum Claire and myself have been your largest supporters.

 

I'm just not clouded by some misconception on what's really happening, and I'm not going to give you false hopes.

You guys have an issue understanding what all is involved with doing a console port. No matter how many times I lay it all out, my words fall on deaf ears.

 

If you can't accept reality, I'm sorry.

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I forgot to reply to this earlier. This statement is wholly false.

 

I do actually have and play the console version on the PS4. I have been supporting the console version since it came out. In this very forum Claire and myself have been your largest supporters.

 

I'm just not clouded by some misconception on what's really happening, and I'm not going to give you false hopes.

You guys have an issue understanding what all is involved with doing a console port. No matter how many times I lay it all out, my words fall on deaf ears.

 

If you can't accept reality, I'm sorry.

 

LOL i remember our few times a year updates from Claire which in all honestly was pretty pathetic. As far as updates from you no i mostly see you bashing console players and telling them to buy PC. Maybe not as bad as Roland but not much better either.

 

We all understand what goes into a port nobody is questioning the process. What we all are questioning/trying to understand is the reason TFP willingly sold the rights to an incomplete game. To most of us the obvious answer is because they saw a quick money option which would further the pc version. It also meant that come today TFP can pretend they had no clue what would happen, can pretend they had our best interest at heart and can blame literally everyone else. As if that wasnt bad enough TFP then tell console players if they like the game so much go re-buy it on PC.

 

At this point its more of a feeling that all console players got the shaft since day 1 and now that TFP have the rights back its not going to get better. There is no defense for TFP which is largely where the anger of console players comes from. A company cant actively pursue options to make a quick buck then claim its not their fault when things collapse. Perhaps if TFP years ago considered "wait for the gold version release" before we tackle the console we wouldnt even need this conversation....on the other hand if TFP didnt act out of greed the pc version may have died years ago and console never would have seen a release anyways.

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If you understand the process you wouldn't have made any of that post. Pretty sure they thought Telltale would publish the game as early access, which would give them (iron galaxy, TFP only gave them content from the PC. It was up to IG to actually DO the conversion to consoles) more freedom to make procedural updates, not sell it as a complete game, which put it in a stricter ruleset. Telltale went bankrupt for a reason. The only mistake TFP did was pick Telltale, but that's business. The anger of console players is mainly due to lack of knowledge in how much a restrictive PITA console development/publishing has become -- bluntly put, but it's the truth. It WASN'T their fault. I, myself, was angry over it, until I did some looking into it and discovered more of the truth behind it and just feel bad for the situation. But, I digress, if you wish to remain angry at the wrong people for the wrong reasons, carry on. But you're looking at the wrong tip of the wrong iceberg, and failing to see the rest of the iceberg to begin with lol.

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Not falling on deaf ears sly just I admit don’t know much about it not pc player as I admit they are great for gaming nothing towards people who prefer so thank everyone for help educated about it a bit

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Maybe not as bad as Roland but not much better either.

 

Say what? When did I bash console players? I own the game on xbox, myself. I just bought a Switch and while it doesn't have 7 Days, it does have Duck Hunt which has been a lot of fun. Consoles are great and so are the people who play them. (I'm talking about myself)

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I forgot to reply to this earlier. This statement is wholly false.

 

I do actually have and play the console version on the PS4. I have been supporting the console version since it came out. In this very forum Claire and myself have been your largest supporters.

 

I'm just not clouded by some misconception on what's really happening, and I'm not going to give you false hopes.

You guys have an issue understanding what all is involved with doing a console port. No matter how many times I lay it all out, my words fall on deaf ears.

 

If you can't accept reality, I'm sorry.

 

So what’s really happening? I mean I feel like when TFP tell us they might do something after PC goes gold. What are we supposed to think? They might do something or like you said the current console version is dead.

 

I agree we might not fully understand the porting process, but that is what Iron Galaxy is for. If you are telling me TTG could do a port and then push out updates I have to believe TFP can do the same thing. Pretty sure if TFP paid IG for the port things would move forward. But reality is this cost money, we all know that.

 

I think the reality is TFP won’t say its over. Your words don’t fall on death ears.

 

Post it, tell us the current version of console is dead. You wont, TFP wont, so we are stuck here. Dont blame some of us for the fact TFP are the ones kicking the can down the road.

 

I said it months ago 8-2-2019 RIP.

 

POST IT.

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If you understand the process you wouldn't have made any of that post. Pretty sure they thought Telltale would publish the game as early access, which would give them (iron galaxy, TFP only gave them content from the PC. It was up to IG to actually DO the conversion to consoles) more freedom to make procedural updates, not sell it as a complete game, which put it in a stricter ruleset. Telltale went bankrupt for a reason. The only mistake TFP did was pick Telltale, but that's business. The anger of console players is mainly due to lack of knowledge in how much a restrictive PITA console development/publishing has become -- bluntly put, but it's the truth. It WASN'T their fault. I, myself, was angry over it, until I did some looking into it and discovered more of the truth behind it and just feel bad for the situation. But, I digress, if you wish to remain angry at the wrong people for the wrong reasons, carry on. But you're looking at the wrong tip of the wrong iceberg, and failing to see the rest of the iceberg to begin with lol.

 

I am not angry with TFP. Just a correction and question for you.

 

Correction - TFP knew exactly what TTG Publishing was doing. They gave them their own forum section and had a contract. TFP didn’t pick TTG Publishing. TTG Publishing approached TFP, TFP mistake was not knowing TTG would go up for Assignment (CA version of bankruptcy, but not bankruptcy). At which point TFP posted that they revoked the rights of updates and sequels from TTGs contract. I have done quite a bit of research myself on this whole ordeal.

 

Question would be. Are you saying that if TFP asked IG to do the update IG would “actually DO the conversion to consoles”? So TFP really wouldn’t have to do much other then provide code.

 

My disappointmet in TFP is they could easily tell us the current console version is dead. Future versions could be possible but until new consoles are out, no idea what will happen until then. Pretty straight forward truth. But I agree some will be unhappy no matter what is said. So unfortunately until PC goes gold this is what we get.

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TLDR see my last sentence.

 

My main point got pushed to the side a bit there or was misunderstood. For $500 (roughly) I will be able to buy a brand new PS5 or Xbox Scarlett next year. A console that (short of a hardware failure) should last the next 5-10 years without ever touching anything again or spending any additional money for upgrades.

 

Even if you could technically build a PC today for the same price (conveniently ignoring the cost of Windows and peripherals btw) it would barely run modern games decently. You'd easily spend that much again within 1-2 years just to keep upgrading it. During the life of the average modern console you would likely spend that $500 another 2, 3, 4 more times?

 

For someone like me who is busy with very regular work travel I just want to come home and play a game. Not fuss with constant patches and upgrades. Spent most of the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s building gaming PCs and I switched to consoles for that reason.

 

Hell for me the Nintendo Switch would be ideal except it doesn't really cater to my gaming genre preferences very much if at all.

 

And no a laptop isn't particularly practical either. At least not a good enough one to actually game on for any reasonable price.

 

Anyway, I'm not arguing that PC isn't superior in most technological ways, it absolutely is. I'm arguing that... well that point doesn't really matter. For me what little free time and or money I might have is better spent maximizing as much gaming as possible.

 

Basically the typical PC argument is spend 3-4 times the price for higher quality graphics for some lesser amount of hours on actual gaming. I would simply rather spend less money and fuss time to play the same games (more or less) at admittedly lower graphics.

 

Will I miss out on some amazing PC games? Yep most certainly.

 

Do I care? Nope.

 

Bottomline. The few hours when I'm not working, cooking, cleaning, or taking care of kids sure as hell isn't going to be spent on paying extra for the privilege of performing some mundane and never ending PC maintenance rather than in a game having fun.

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I mean... the thing people miss out on is you have to pay for their premium services, and a PC will last ya longer than consoles do. Just saying. people forget about havign to pay the console extortion fee. Not trying to convince ya though

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I mean... the thing people miss out on is you have to pay for their premium services, and a PC will last ya longer than consoles do. Just saying. people forget about havign to pay the console extortion fee. Not trying to convince ya though

This is literally one of the main reasons I barely play on my PS4 anymore. I got sick and tired of the PS-Plus extortion.

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This is literally one of the main reasons I barely play on my PS4 anymore. I got sick and tired of the PS-Plus extortion.

 

Yeah... it's really sad what consoles have devolved into. I convinced my friend t ocheck out the PC world, even just Steam. it's free, has all the features of the PS plus, and has the sales lol. His mind was blown.

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So what’s really happening? I mean I feel like when TFP tell us they might do something after PC goes gold. What are we supposed to think? They might do something or like you said the current console version is dead.

 

I agree we might not fully understand the porting process, but that is what Iron Galaxy is for. If you are telling me TTG could do a port and then push out updates I have to believe TFP can do the same thing. Pretty sure if TFP paid IG for the port things would move forward. But reality is this cost money, we all know that.

 

I think the reality is TFP won’t say its over. Your words don’t fall on death ears.

 

Post it, tell us the current version of console is dead. You wont, TFP wont, so we are stuck here. Dont blame some of us for the fact TFP are the ones kicking the can down the road.

 

I said it months ago 8-2-2019 RIP.

 

POST IT.

 

So Sylen, Can you educate us on this complex process of porting the update? Or when you say you don’t want to give us false hopes do you know something you don’t want to share with us?

 

As some have posted that IG actually does the port, so other then the fact it will cost money. Which most of us have asked about a kickstarter, to see if we can offset the cost to TFP.

 

Maybe you could explain it so we do understand. Or do our requests fall on deaf ears.

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So Sylen, Can you educate us on this complex process of porting the update? Or when you say you don’t want to give us false hopes do you know something you don’t want to share with us?

 

As some have posted that IG actually does the port, so other then the fact it will cost money. Which most of us have asked about a kickstarter, to see if we can offset the cost to TFP.

 

Maybe you could explain it so we do understand. Or do our requests fall on deaf ears.

 

Dude there are stickied posts with this info lol. If you can't find it, "Hey Google, what makes porting and updating games on consoles so complicated?"

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The only thing i need to know about 7 Days and Console is:

Imagine:

let's say in 2 years, there will be a team that will port the game to console

maybe it will be A20.

will the console get an update to the same version or will they have

to buy the game again?

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So Sylen, Can you educate us on this complex process of porting the update? Or when you say you don’t want to give us false hopes do you know something you don’t want to share with us?

 

As some have posted that IG actually does the port, so other then the fact it will cost money. Which most of us have asked about a kickstarter, to see if we can offset the cost to TFP.

 

Maybe you could explain it so we do understand. Or do our requests fall on deaf ears.

 

First, TFP has to strike a new contract with IG. This will require lawyers, and several months of deliberation. Just this alone will cost a few mil.

Second, IG will need to resume work on the port. Do they have the same team members that worked on it before? If so that will be easier. Otherwise they will almost be starting over from scratch. Just to finish the current build that was almost ready for release will take several months, and will cost several million dollars.

Then once that happens, do they continue? Do they just drop it there? These kinds of things would have been negotiated back in the first step. It does not make sense to spend several million dollars just to release a patch though.

 

Which leads us to the other issue...

 

The only thing i need to know about 7 Days and Console is:

Imagine:

let's say in 2 years, there will be a team that will port the game to console

maybe it will be A20.

will the console get an update to the same version or will they have

to buy the game again?

 

Say they decide to continue and work into aligning the console to the final build. This is going to take a couple of years, and won't be released until after TFP have finished the original PC game. (This is really the next step, because after finishing the next update, any new updates hat aren't hotfixes for current code would require a new save.)

The issue with all of this is that it will break current saves. Both Sony and Microshaft have a rule set against this. So they would be unable to update the current version without designing a new process for keeping the old format semi-compatible. Which will take a lot of time and several million dollars. So in order to release the actual finished version, this will likely require a second game release.

Thank you TTG for ♥♥♥♥ing over console players on this one by announcing an Alpha build as a finished product.

 

Now after all of that is considered, you have the primary consideration before you even go onto any of this. Money.

Will continued support of the console port be financially feasible?

If TFP goes into this process and spends 30 million dollars on it, is there any chance of recouping that cost? They are a small indie developer. They don't have that kind of money to just throw away. Much research into sales forecasts will need to be done to determine if this will end up at least breaking even. And that also costs money.

 

So once again, I have given you a detailed description, but kept it simple enough for most people to understand. This is just the tip of what all is involved in doing a port. If you want more details, Google is your friend. I don't know why so many people have a problem using it for finding out simple information.

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