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Just now, AtomicUs5000 said:

It's so stupid, but I'm lmao, tears running down. My wife is staring at me and I don't even know how to explain.

Well honey, there's this crazy chick on this board ...  

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2 minutes ago, AtomicUs5000 said:

It's so stupid, but I'm lmao, tears running down. My wife is staring at me and I don't even know how to explain.

You’re welcome ;)

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4 hours ago, Pegasus said:

Y'all are still forgetting that there are legitimate reasons to use nerdpoling, and removing it would seriously impact builders, as would the inability to pick up placed frames.  Digging support pillars to bedrock would be nearly impossible without nerdpoling.  You're talking about building above ground ... which is great ... but there are people who build underground too where your so called building strategies wouldn't work.  

 

I'm sorry that you don't like people doing this ... but if you play on a single person game and you're not doing it, what the heck do you care?   

 

I fail to understand why this is such an issue ... if you don't like it, don't do it. 

 

What does it matter if someone else, in their own game, is doing something you don't like? 

 

Why do you care if someone in a game you are not in paints themselves purple, runs around naked and fornicates with bears?  It's their game ... leave them alone. 

 

If you don't like watching streams with people doing this ... don't watch the streams.  

 

Lord have mercy people.  Get a clue ... everyone doesn't play the same way.  People have different play styles, they have different things they like to do.  I'm very glad you like your play style ... have at it.  Quit trying to force me to play the same way you do.

First off I will say, I agree removing nerd poling is waste of time.

 

My question is why do you need support pillars to bedrock? I  have built some fairly tall structures and as long as I have solid base, I have had no issues.

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7 minutes ago, Dethar said:

First off I will say, I agree removing nerd poling is waste of time.

 

My question is why do you need support pillars to bedrock? I  have built some fairly tall structures and as long as I have solid base, I have had no issues.

It's an old habit from playing a busy multiplayer server.  When the server was full it would sometimes stutter, and if it stuttered while doing whatever stability calculations, it would sometimes imagine air pockets in the ground ... and the structures would come tumbling down ... and after a few collapses like that i started putting in the bedrock pillars ... no more collapses caused by server brain farts.

 

Also, we had some idiots who liked to dig down to bedrock then just tunnel in a straight line ... and if they happened to undermine an area and you didn't know it, if you put your land claim there and built, sometimes the underground voids would cause instability in the build ... and collapses. 

 

Again, it's just easier to dig the support pillars.  Plus, it's a great way to get rock for cobble and cement.  Since vertical support doesn't depend on the material built i can build the underground pillars out of wood ... and just concrete them at the top layers in case of diggity diggity zombies.

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3 hours ago, Kalen said:

It seems you don't have a problem with it.... I'd love to hear from someone who does and see why the unrealistic nature of nerd poling is a problem, but, for example, carrying 100 wooden frames is not a problem.

Sorry I was playing and recording.

Nerd poling, if you've been playing long enough you've probably figured out that having frames on your tool belt is an excellent way to evade zombies. Run up to the side of a building nerd pol up high where they can't get you and rain hell on them till they are dead. Congratulation you pretty much just beat the game using this tactic everywhere until you get enough exp, perks, and weapons to grow some balls and take them on the right way. The more realistic emmersive way. You bat way above your average using that tactic, anyone can beat the game on the hardest difficulty/speed doing that. Take a way the frame and play the game like a man. #$%^#'s!:boxing2:

Then there is the problems on multiplayer, loot rooms being short cut to and raided with minimal fighting with zeds, being able to nerd pol to the sky and 'oh$&%drops' into the fortified perimeter of someone base. If you read what I said about security and using the solar panel, pretty much a waste of money when someone can just fall out of the sky with nothing to lose and hack it apart. Not specifically multiplayer but blocking doorways with frames un-upgraded, the cheesy base designs and exploits it helps create. I can come up with more reasons and have. It all goes back to %$&*# tactics.

 

When the game is definitely playable without the frame and all its power. I'm playing Permadeath on Insane Nightmare with 25% loot 64 zed horde nights and doing just fine without it. There is no reason why anyone else should need it on a lower difficulty. Play at the level you think your at without it, its way more rewarding. Everything you do with the frame legitimately is do-able without the frame. 

If it came between me dieing or nerd poling up a wall to get away I'd rather die cause I wouldn't feel like a $##^& afterwards.

And yes carrying massive amounts of everything is a problem but that has to do with the way the inventory system is setup. Honestly don't like that either but I doubt they are going to redesign that now.

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26 minutes ago, MechanicalLens said:

Sticks to the corner of the room and hopes that nothing happens to me. :angel:

Coffee?

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I didn't see anything on it .. So I'm Asking .. IS IT intendent to RAIN for a day and a half with update b180 .. it started the night of the 5day and now it is the evening of the 6th day .. I do mind Rain .. but it is pouring through 3 floors in my base.

 

Just wondering, Have Fun and Be Safe ... the Old Gamer .. 😌

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Just now, gpcstargate said:

I didn't see anything on it .. So I'm Asking .. IS IT intendent to RAIN for a day and a half with update b180 .. it started the night of the 5day and now it is the evening of the 6th day .. I do mind Rain .. but it is pouring through 3 floors in my base.

 

Just wondering, Have Fun and Be Safe ... the Old Gamer .. 😌

You better start building yourself that Ark and capture two of every zombie, for it is going to rain for the next 40 days and 40 nights. 😛

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Just now, gpcstargate said:

I didn't see anything on it .. So I'm Asking .. IS IT intendent to RAIN for a day and a half with update b180 .. it started the night of the 5day and now it is the evening of the 6th day .. I do mind Rain .. but it is pouring through 3 floors in my base.

 

Just wondering, Have Fun and Be Safe ... the Old Gamer .. 😌

that was my day 6 last play though, so your not alone, if its supposed to be like that I don't know.

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14 minutes ago, STyK_ said:

Sorry I was playing and recording.

Nerd poling, if you've been playing long enough you've probably figured out that having frames on your tool belt is an excellent way to evade zombies. Run up to the side of a building nerd pol up high where they can't get you and rain hell on them till they are dead. Congratulation you pretty much just beat the game using this tactic everywhere until you get enough exp, perks, and weapons to grow some balls and take them on the right way. The more realistic emmersive way. You bat way above your average using that tactic, anyone can beat the game on the hardest difficulty/speed doing that. Take a way the frame and play the game like a man. #$%^#'s!:boxing2:

Then there is the problems on multiplayer, loot rooms being short cut to and raided with minimal fighting with zeds, being able to nerd pol to the sky and 'oh$&%drops' into the fortified perimeter of someone base. If you read what I said about security and using the solar panel, pretty much a waste of money when someone can just fall out of the sky with nothing to lose and hack it apart. I can come up with more reasons and have.

 

When the game is definitely playable without the frame and all its power. I'm playing Permadeath on Insane Nightmare with 25% loot 64 zed horde nights and doing just fine without it. There is no reason why anyone else should need it on a lower difficulty. Play at the level you think your at without it, its way more rewarding. If it came between me dieing or nerd poling up a wall to get away I'd rather die cause I would feel like a $##^& afterwards.

And yes carrying massive amounts of everything is a problem but that has to do with the way the inventory system is setup. Honestly don't like that either but I doubt they are going to redesign that now.

So if they take away nerd poling, the people who would play in this manner are not going to find another way to play that's just as annoying to you? We all know that's not true ... they're just going to find some new way ... like run up the existing stairways and break them behind them.  Same result ... different method.

 

You've admitted you don't play multiplayer.  And I've not seen your builds so I can't comment on your skill or lack there of with designing a base.

 

But there are simple solutions to the issue you're talking about with multiplayer.

 

First ... you are equating all multiplayer with PvP.  Not all servers are PvP, many are PvE ... so your argument is moot for those servers since base raiding is not allowed.

 

Second ... using blocks to jump over someone's wall has always been an issue.  So instead of nerdpoling up they'll just build a ramp.  Still an issue.  Are you going to take away all forms of building just because you don't like something?

 

Third ... there are ways to prevent this ... you have a "deadzone" inside your land claim block where you do not build ... start your walls a certain number of blocks back, then even with parkour someone cannot jump into your base/over the walls.

 

But if people are going to find other ways around what you find so objectionable, why remove a mechanic from the game that is useful for other situations? 

 

 

12 minutes ago, MechanicalLens said:

You better start building yourself that Ark and capture two of every zombie, for it is going to rain for the next 40 days and 40 nights. 😛

I am NOT going to ask about your breeding program ... 

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1 hour ago, Star69 said:

Or cut down the light pole and harvest the steel after if falls.

Doesn't work that way. If it falls you just get scrap metal.

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1 minute ago, Pegasus said:

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You know what they say, it's going to get ugly before it gets pretty. Or "less ugly" to be exact.

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14 minutes ago, Pegasus said:

So if they take away nerd poling, the people who would play in this manner are not going to find another way to play that's just as annoying to you? We all know that's not true ... they're just going to find some new way ... like run up the existing stairways and break them behind them.  Same result ... different method.

 

You've admitted you don't play multiplayer.  And I've not seen your builds so I can't comment on your skill or lack there of with designing a base.

 

But there are simple solutions to the issue you're talking about with multiplayer.

 

First ... you are equating all multiplayer with PvP.  Not all servers are PvP, many are PvE ... so your argument is moot for those servers since base raiding is not allowed.

 

Second ... using blocks to jump over someone's wall has always been an issue.  So instead of nerdpoling up they'll just build a ramp.  Still an issue.  Are you going to take away all forms of building just because you don't like something?

 

Third ... there are ways to prevent this ... you have a "deadzone" inside your land claim block where you do not build ... start your walls a certain number of blocks back, then even with parkour someone cannot jump into your base/over the walls.

 

But if people are going to find other ways around what you find so objectionable, why remove a mechanic from the game that is useful for other situations? 

 

 

Are you seriously trying to say the game is unplayable without the frame after I've just spent 28 hours + doing it on the hardest diff/speed loot abundance? I won't play pvp in its current state thats what I have said and so have others. Are you trying to say the mod you play on is the only and important one? Who is thinking only about themselves now? It wouldn't be taking away all forms of building I'm doing just fine building. No but they can build/nerd pol to the sky limit make a runway run and jump with oh^*%$drops to inside of that deadzone. Even at maximum size and small base you could do it. The dead zones don't go to the sky limit. Because it isn't actually needed, its your safety blanket, I can do anything you can do without nerd poling.

Thought you withdrew from this argument after I proved you wrong 2 hrs ago.

go ahead @MechanicalLenscheck all my unedited vids on Operation Broken Bow, its proof. Ask me to do anything you think can't be done without nerd poling, go ahead.

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I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm simply not interested, and no, nerdpoling is not going away, and if it does, I'm going to find each one of TFP personally and I'll give them knucklerubs. I'm heading to bed with a bottle of iced tea and a podcast playing.

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23 minutes ago, STyK_ said:

Ask me to do anything you think can't be done without nerd poling, go ahead.

 

How do I make a nerd pole without nerd poling?

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1 minute ago, STyK_ said:

Are you seriously trying to say the game is unplayable without the frame after I've just spent 28 hours + doing it on the hardest diff/speed loot abundance? I won't play pvp in its current state thats what I have said and so have others. Are you trying to say the mod you play on is the only and important one? Who is thinking only about themselves now? It wouldn't be taking away all forms of building I'm doing just fine building. No but they can build/nerd pol to the sky limit make a runway run and jump with oh^*%$drops to inside of that deadzone. Even at maximum size and small base you could do it. The dead zones don't go to the sky limit. Because it isn't actually needed, its your safety blanket, I can do anything you can do without nerd poling.

And again, you're back to being ridiculous and antagonistic instead of responding calmly to what I laid out.  

 

I did not say the game was unplayable. I said that someone is going to find a way to do these things even without the frames.  And if the behavior is going to continue, what is the use of taking out a useful mechanic that most people like and enjoy?

 

And as for your play through ... I don't watch your channel.  I don't foresee a time when I will watch your channel.  Your play style is not of any interest to me, whatsoever.  I don't care if you play by yourself, if you play PvP, if you play PvE or if you play hide and go seek with Barney and Mr. Magoo.  Here's a clue ... I don't care about you.  You are not as important as you think you are.

 

I don't know what kind of building you do, I've not seen your buildings.  I know that the type of building I do would be severely hampered by not being able to nerd pole.  If you can build without, good for you, I am happy for you.  Continue building the way you like and I will continue building the way I like.

 

I am saying that some people will always find a way to do things the easy way, the cheap way, the non-hardcore way.

 

If you remove the frames then they will find something else to do that will probably hack you off just as much if not more.  Then you'll be back here trying to get whatever the new way is removed.

 

And I'm sure you can do everything I can do, on a harder difficulty, blindfolded, in the snow, with your hands tied behind your back.  Congratulations.  Not everyone plays that way or on that same level of difficulty. 

 

Not everyone does the things that make you so angry about the frames.  Everyone does not have to play the same way. 

 

My opinion is just as valid as your opinion.  You can propose this over and over and post antagonistic remarks all you like, until you get yourself banned.

 

I am allowed to state, unequivocally, that there are other ways to do things that don't require removal of the frames and crippling building for people who like to build. And I will do so every time you bring this up.

 

 

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Just now, pregnable said:

 

How do I make a nerd pole without nerd poling?

you don't, you play the game like you would any other game where a little hollow box doesn't hold unlimited uses and beat the game for you.

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14 minutes ago, STyK_ said:

you don't, you play the game like you would any other game where a little hollow box doesn't hold unlimited uses and beat the game for you.

 

You were supposed to tell me how to nerd pole after nerd poling was removed. 

 

We were going to have a beautiful paradox joke, and you ruined it. 

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5 minutes ago, Pegasus said:

Your play style is not of any interest to me, whatsoever.  I don't care if you play by yourself, if you play PvP, if you play PvE or if you play hide and go seek with Barney and Mr. Magoo.  

 

 

I'm sorry... 😂 But that part cracked me up.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with you though.

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5 minutes ago, Pegasus said:

And again, you're back to being ridiculous and antagonistic instead of responding calmly to what I laid out.  

 

I did not say the game was unplayable. I said that someone is going to find a way to do these things even without the frames.  And if the behavior is going to continue, what is the use of taking out a useful mechanic that most people like and enjoy?

 

And as for your play through ... I don't watch your channel.  I don't foresee a time when I will watch your channel.  Your play style is not of any interest to me, whatsoever.  I don't care if you play by yourself, if you play PvP, if you play PvE or if you play hide and go seek with Barney and Mr. Magoo.  Here's a clue ... I don't care about you.  You are not as important as you think you are.

 

I don't know what kind of building you do, I've not seen your buildings.  I know that the type of building I do would be severely hampered by not being able to nerd pole.  If you can build without, good for you, I am happy for you.  Continue building the way you like and I will continue building the way I like.

 

I am saying that some people will always find a way to do things the easy way, the cheap way, the non-hardcore way.

 

If you remove the frames then they will find something else to do that will probably hack you off just as much if not more.  Then you'll be back here trying to get whatever the new way is removed.

 

And I'm sure you can do everything I can do, on a harder difficulty, blindfolded, in the snow, with your hands tied behind your back.  Congratulations.  Not everyone plays that way or on that same level of difficulty. 

 

Not everyone does the things that make you so angry about the frames.  Everyone does not have to play the same way. 

 

My opinion is just as valid as your opinion.  You can propose this over and over and post antagonistic remarks all you like, until you get yourself banned.

 

I am allowed to state, unequivocally, that there are other ways to do things that don't require removal of the frames and crippling building for people who like to build. And I will do so every time you bring this up.

 

 

Actually this was just supposed to be me explaining to two different people the issues with the frame and they actually asked. You showed up and turned it into a debate both times. Go ahead look back, I even said I didn't want to get into a debate and then you showed up.

Because you just can't resist.

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