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1 minute ago, Pegasus said:

You may not know this, but you can actually go back to a previous version.  If you loved 18.2 you can go back and play it, you don't have to deal with the new changes at all.

 

Simply right click the game in your steam library, just like you are going to Opt into the Beta.  Make sure you have auto update turned off.  Then go to the Beta tab, and select 18.2 from the drop down.

 

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ffs dude. ya. I know you are trying to be helpful and all, but why would I do that when A whatever da heck it is going to be dropped and I need to update?

Just make the updated, default setting game, playable for noobs or people that aint into the hanging on by your da$# fingernails crowd..

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1 hour ago, Demandred1957 said:

 

No, as a matter of fact, as a paying customer of yours, no I do not like everything you have done.

Crazy buffs to the animals..nope.

Magic swarms of vultures if I try to get away to regroup, or avoid the horde cause i'm more into light adventure and building..nope.

Improved graphics with a crippling FPS loss... maybe. But only cause you are working on it.

making looting/raiding pointless until you hit GS 30+ because all your going to get is blunderbusses and paper..Nope!

Why do you have to make so many "rules" for this game..

Frankly I was quite happy with 18.2

That's why I >bought< it.

I am not into the every moment is a harsh screaming fight to survive thing that it's turning into..

That's what you should tie the difficulty slider to.

On "default" I should be able to survive forever if I play smart, and don't make too many mistakes.. (minecraft crowd rep!)

On each "harder" setting, add more of your broken vulture swarms, literal tanks of wildlife etc..

I really get depressed with each "update" so I can see how much farther away from the game that I bought has strayed from the reasons I bought it...

Sorry if I am not "eloquent" or maybe just a low i.q. jerk, but that's how I feel since you asked...

 

 

You are breaking a cardinal rule

 

Thou shall never complain about the game, only compliment it. You are looking to be banned and attacked by the self appointed Dev Thought Police :)

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@madmole one question though, i remember back when we had placeable tnt, it was fun to use when knocking stuff down, i know we wont get tnt back, but alongside the timed charge are we able to have demo charges that can blow holes through walls?  it can use the same model as the timed charge just orange instead of yellow, or black even, could make for some fun times, just curious

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13 minutes ago, Demandred1957 said:

ffs dude. ya. I know you are trying to be helpful and all, but why would I do that when A whatever da heck it is going to be dropped and I need to update?

Just make the updated, default setting game, playable for noobs or people that aint into the hanging on by your da$# fingernails crowd..

Okay, calm down there bucko.  

 

First, the game is quite playable at default settings for noobs and people that aren't into hanging onto stuff by their fingernails.  I am one of them, and if I can manage to survive the game anyone can.  You don't have to shoot the bears.  If you don't like the bears, do what any sane human would do when they see a bear and run.  The bears won't pursue you to the ends of the earth and they're roughly the size of a small mountain ... not that hard to avoid if you're paying attention.

 

Second, I agree about the vultures, but they're also relatively easy to avoid ... just stay out of their territory until you're at the stage where you can handle them.  At least now they actually attack relatively quickly instead of just hovering around for hours while the ground zombies eat your face because you were watching the vultures, as was the case in your beloved 18.2.

 

Third, if you were paying attention, you would see that the instructions I gave you told you how to revert back to a previous version of the game and not ever, in your lifetime, have to update to any of the new A versions ... or the B versions ... or possibly even the Gold version, if the pimps leave the option to play previous versions enabled when they go to Gold. As long as you've told the game that you only want to play 18.2, it will remain at version 18.2 and never update to a newer alpha.  If you want to make sure of that, then download version 18.2 and make a copy of your 7 days to die file folder ... and play from the copy.  Then no matter what the current steam version is you will always have 18.2 to play.

 

You can play 18.2 until hell freezes over and pigs fly.  

 

So if you loved it so much, then go play that version and don't worry about any other changes.  No need to be so snarky to people who are trying to be nice to instead of treating you like a malcontent based on your nasty comments. Of course, that can always be an option if you prefer that to niceness.

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17 minutes ago, Jim Shoe said:

You are breaking a cardinal rule

 

Thou shall never complain about the game, only compliment it. You are looking to be banned and attacked by the self appointed Dev Thought Police :)

Man, know you are right.

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12 minutes ago, Jim Shoe said:

You are breaking a cardinal rule

 

Thou shall never complain about the game, only compliment it. You are looking to be banned and attacked by the self appointed Dev Thought Police :)

To be fair there is a difference between hyperbole and constructive criticism.

 

Crazy buffs to animals. Sure some got tougher, but if you hadn't had it easier before you wouldn't know the difference. Either avoid the predators or learn a better way to fight them.

 

Looting and raiding pointless till you're GS 30+. Blunderbusses were pointless before. Now they have a purpose. There is already the ability to increase loot in the game options if you want to find better stuff faster. No judgment here, I have definitely done this.

 

I'm not wild about the vultures attacking vehicles but I'll adapt. However, if avoiding horde is your thing there is also the option to turn those off too if you just want to focus on exploring and building. Once again no judgment, everyone has their own playstyle.

 

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6 minutes ago, Pegasus said:

Okay, calm down there bucko.  

 

First, the game is quite playable at default settings for noobs and people that aren't into hanging onto stuff by their fingernails.  I am one of them, and if I can manage to survive the game anyone can.  You don't have to shoot the bears.  If you don't like the bears, do what any sane human would do when they see a bear and run.  The bears won't pursue you to the ends of the earth and they're roughly the size of a small mountain ... not that hard to avoid if you're paying attention.

 

Second, I agree about the vultures, but they're also relatively easy to avoid ... just stay out of their territory until you're at the stage where you can handle them.  At least now they actually attack relatively quickly instead of just hovering around for hours while the ground zombies eat your face because you were watching the vultures, as was the case in your beloved 18.2.

 

Third, if you were paying attention, you would see that the instructions I gave you told you how to revert back to a previous version of the game and not ever, in your lifetime, have to update to any of the new A versions ... or the B versions ... or possibly even the Gold version, if the pimps leave the option to play previous versions enabled when they go to Gold. As long as you've told the game that you only want to play 18.2, it will remain at version 18.2 and never update to a newer alpha.  If you want to make sure of that, then download version 18.2 and make a copy of your 7 days to die file folder ... and play from the copy.  Then no matter what the current steam version is you will always have 18.2 to play.

 

You can play 18.2 until hell freezes over and pigs fly.  

 

So if you loved it so much, then go play that version and don't worry about any other changes.  No need to be so snarky to people who are trying to be nice to instead of treating you like a malcontent based on your nasty comments. Of course, that can always be an option if you prefer that to niceness.

How about just make it more balanced with attaching all the hardcore stuff you guys want onto the slider?

Snarky is as snarky does.

I want the better graphics and newer stuff.

Don't want the unbalanced stuff that appeals to you guys with a ton of hours into it.

Then everybody's happy.

Or is that too much to ask for??

 

 

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1 minute ago, falloutcloud said:

To be fair there is a difference between hyperbole and constructive criticism.

 

Crazy buffs to animals. Sure some got tougher, but if you hadn't had it easier before you wouldn't know the difference. Either avoid the predators or learn a better way to fight them.

 

Looting and raiding pointless till you're GS 30+. Blunderbusses were pointless before. Now they have a purpose. There is already the ability to increase loot in the game options if you want to find better stuff faster. No judgment here, I have definitely done this.

 

I'm not wild about the vultures attacking vehicles but I'll adapt. However, if avoiding horde is your thing there is also the option to turn those off too if you just want to focus on exploring and building. Once again no judgment, everyone has their own playstyle.

 

I agree with your post ... but I just really want to say I love your avatar picture. :) 

 

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2 minutes ago, falloutcloud said:

To be fair there is a difference between hyperbole and constructive criticism.

 

Crazy buffs to animals. Sure some got tougher, but if you hadn't had it easier before you wouldn't know the difference. Either avoid the predators or learn a better way to fight them.

 

Looting and raiding pointless till you're GS 30+. Blunderbusses were pointless before. Now they have a purpose. There is already the ability to increase loot in the game options if you want to find better stuff faster. No judgment here, I have definitely done this.

 

I'm not wild about the vultures attacking vehicles but I'll adapt. However, if avoiding horde is your thing there is also the option to turn those off too if you just want to focus on exploring and building. Once again no judgment, everyone has their own playstyle.

 

Why should I have to downgrade past "default" to get a balanced play?

I have tried a play where I dumped points in LL.. didn't get anything except more empty tin cans.

If I have to change settings past "default" i'm out. shouldn't have to do that to make it playable.

2 minutes ago, Pegasus said:

I agree with your post ... but I just really want to say I love your avatar picture. :) 

 

lol, thanks.. Demandred ftw!

I also have a >very< modest youtube channel under the same name where I play this game on permadeath if you are down.

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1 minute ago, Demandred1957 said:

Why should I have to downgrade past "default" to get a balanced play?

I have tried a play where I dumped points in LL.. didn't get anything except more empty tin cans.

If I have to change settings past "default" i'm out. shouldn't have to do that to make it playable.

If you are having difficulty at the default settings you should definitely consider lowering them. I just got a friend playing right after experimental opened up and he loves the base settings and is ready for a jump in difficulty.

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2 minutes ago, Demandred1957 said:

Why should I have to downgrade past "default" to get a balanced play?

I have tried a play where I dumped points in LL.. didn't get anything except more empty tin cans.

If I have to change settings past "default" i'm out. shouldn't have to do that to make it playable.

Do you need a snickers?  I play default for the most part, i only alter it to have 90 min days, warrior diff and 16 zombies on horde day, i put 2 points into lucky looter after the tutorial and go on my way, i find a lot of stuff but i play with the default 100% loot, i don't have this much difficulty as you make it sound and my difficulty is above default, i find it to be fairly balanced for me, so i don't understand the salt your throwing

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1 minute ago, Demandred1957 said:

How about just make it more balanced with attaching all the hardcore stuff you guys want onto the slider?

Snarky is as snarky does.

I want the better graphics and newer stuff.

Don't want the unbalanced stuff that appeals to you guys with a ton of hours into it.

Then everybody's happy.

Or is that too much to ask for??

 

 

Okay, I don't know what hardcore stuff you seem to think that I'm asking for that could be adjusted by a slider, but whatever.

 

The devs have already said that some things will be added to the options and some will not.  There are mods for those.  

 

The game is still in alpha and is still undergoing changes.  

 

You may ask for whatever you wish.  You may also bash the devs and the game and the other players as much as you want, at least until you cross the line and get silenced or banned.

 

It's all a trade off ... with each new alpha version things change.  Some are later adjusted, some are not. 

 

You have three choices really:

1) You can play the previous version of the game that you say you loved and was the reason you purchased the game. This would, presumably, make you happy.

2) You can refuse to play the game until the game is no longer in Alpha. Then the game will be in its mostly final iteration and you won't have to cope with any more upsetting changes.  This may or may not make you happy.

3) You can continue to play the unstable branches of the game, provide feedback that may or may not be acknowledged, and learn to deal with the new version of the game which contains changes that can be perceived as both good and bad. This will likely continue to make you unhappy.

 

But, that's all the helpful I have in me for today ... so do what you wish, how you wish.  I hope you have good luck.

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1 minute ago, Pegasus said:

Okay, I don't know what hardcore stuff you seem to think that I'm asking for that could be adjusted by a slider, but whatever.

 

The devs have already said that some things will be added to the options and some will not.  There are mods for those.  

 

The game is still in alpha and is still undergoing changes.  

 

You may ask for whatever you wish.  You may also bash the devs and the game and the other players as much as you want, at least until you cross the line and get silenced or banned.

 

It's all a trade off ... with each new alpha version things change.  Some are later adjusted, some are not. 

 

You have three choices really:

1) You can play the previous version of the game that you say you loved and was the reason you purchased the game. This would, presumably, make you happy.

2) You can refuse to play the game until the game is no longer in Alpha. Then the game will be in its mostly final iteration and you won't have to cope with any more upsetting changes.  This may or may not make you happy.

3) You can continue to play the unstable branches of the game, provide feedback that may or may not be acknowledged, and learn to deal with the new version of the game which contains changes that can be perceived as both good and bad. This will likely continue to make you unhappy.

 

But, that's all the helpful I have in me for today ... so do what you wish, how you wish.  I hope you have good luck.

Don't bother, he has heard it already and just hasn't accepted it yet.  Dwelling and pacing in circles lol...

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7 minutes ago, Demandred1957 said:

 

lol, thanks.. Demandred ftw!

I also have a >very< modest youtube channel under the same name where I play this game on permadeath if you are down.

Not you dear, that was a copy from falloutcloud's post.  I love the kitty.  Not that I dislike your avatar, it's very nice.  

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90 min days...nice.

try lowering that to 60 first.

don't care about "difficulty" settings, since that just makes them more spongy as far as I can tell.

also tried getting LL to lvl 2 right off the bat, didn't get anything special at all..

It's kinda hard coded to suck now till you get to a higher stage.

I have video's up on my channel that shows what i am talking about.

1 minute ago, Pegasus said:

Not you dear, that was a copy from falloutcloud's post.  I love the kitty.  Not that I dislike your avatar, it's very nice.  

lol, ok.

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1 minute ago, Pegasus said:

Not you dear, that was a copy from falloutcloud's post.  I love the kitty.  Not that I dislike your avatar, it's very nice.  

Not just any cat. The undead cat from Pet Cematary. 

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1 minute ago, Laz Man said:

Don't bother, he has heard it already and just hasn't accepted it yet.  Dwelling and pacing in circles lol...

ya, heard the like it or lump it bit already..

just not willing to go to the light just yet.

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1 minute ago, Demandred1957 said:

90 min days...nice.

try lowering that to 60 first.

don't care about "difficulty" settings, since that just makes them more spongy as far as I can tell.

also tried getting LL to lvl 2 right off the bat, didn't get anything special at all..

It's kinda hard coded to suck now till you get to a higher stage.

I have video's up on my channel that shows what i am talking about.

i have played on 60 min days, they simply felt to short to me and unenjoyable, so i upped it

warrior difficulty feels just right for me, they are not too spongy but not so weak

i loot, kill and mine a lot in my first week, even with a stone ax which is not that bad and actually frees up a slot on the belt

toilets are my best friend, plenty of water to purify and i usually walk away from a hotel/motel with a level 1 pistol

the blunderbuss is not that bad, ive fired it without waking up an entire poi and i usually only resort to it when i run out of stamina with my current melee attack option

I have my entire a19 run on youtube myself, and i loathe using the creative menu if i can help it, my progress was great with also looking too the traders for help

 

i just don't see why your so unhappy

1 minute ago, jenniann said:

Seems with the newer update arrows don't show at all when loaded in bows :(

my bow was fine, i was having issues with my crossbow being loaded yet not looking it, kinda funny looking with my exploding bolts

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7 minutes ago, Demandred1957 said:

90 min days...nice.

try lowering that to 60 first.

don't care about "difficulty" settings, since that just makes them more spongy as far as I can tell.

also tried getting LL to lvl 2 right off the bat, didn't get anything special at all..

It's kinda hard coded to suck now till you get to a higher stage.

I have video's up on my channel that shows what i am talking about.

 

Since I'm not digging into youtube files ... why don't you tell us what settings you are using that are giving you such trouble?

 

What map are you using? What difficulty settings? What loot settings?  Single player or mulitplayer?  

 

What is your strategy, what are you actually doing that is so untenable?

 

I've not had a lick of trouble finding schems and such right off the bat, nor progressing.  But I also play with mostly default settings and I'm not what you would call an aggressive player.  I tend to avoid fights in the beginning and only loot places I can get into and out of easily ... I don't feel the need to prove I'm a bada##.

 

What exactly is it that you're not finding that is making making it such a nightmare for you?

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Just now, Phoenixshade35 said:

i have played on 60 min days, they simply felt to short to me and unenjoyable, so i upped it

warrior difficulty feels just right for me, they are not too spongy but not so weak

i loot, kill and mine a lot in my first week, even with a stone ax which is not that bad and actually frees up a slot on the belt

toilets are my best friend, plenty of water to purify and i usually walk away from a hotel/motel with a level 1 pistol

the blunderbuss is not that bad, ive fired it without waking up an entire poi and i usually only resort to it when i run out of stamina with my current melee attack option

I have my entire a19 run on youtube myself, and i loathe using the creative menu if i can help it, my progress was great with also looking too the traders for help

 

i just don't see why your so unhappy

Well, guess RNJesus hates me, cause I am playing on permadeath (my limit ya I know) just hit day 15<<< and have yet to find anything good.. I had to buy a lvl 1 pump shotty and ak both to have something decent to fight the horde with..

I got a toolbelt full of single shot blunderbi, but seeing how they are kinda useless beyond point blank range..

The leveled loot, and everything being stacked against me at all times thing is what got's me down.

Not to be down on your play, but having the time upped makes all the difference in the world.

And yeah, having 100's of murkey water is great and all..

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Ever try 10 minute days, longest nights, BM daily?
That's some funny (and fun) stuff right there.
The things you do to keep your health up is pretty insane.
You go on a buried treasure mission and a couple BMs could happen throughout it.

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