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On 7/31/2020 at 10:06 PM, madmole said:

Guys, nitrogen is a mod, and mods are off topic. Thanks.

Ask and thou shall receive... sometimes :)

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Hi MM,

 

Thanks for the round tower design, I figured since everyone was doing castles I should at least start to try and make one too and see what happens.  I did run into a blending issue with this tower design and wood ramp blocks (roof) but it still came out okay.  I used paint so the blocks that didn't quite fit together aren't so obvious from a distance.  See image below. I highlighted red the voxel space where I couldnt find a block that  would blend well into the tower.

 

 

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There is something wrong by enable players to harvest decorations from POI's? I still have some fund memories of ripping the roof off a crack-a-book store just to have a nice roof in my base, and tearing down the cinema "screen" for white walls before painting came to be. Wouldn't need crafting recipes (how do i spell that word) at all, and the decoration beeing in the game already. 

 

Perhaps a tool mod acting like minecraft "silk touch".

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i Spawn using F6 key but every zombie is same height :/ 

any suggestion ?

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1 minute ago, Xtracker said:

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i Spawn using F6 key but every zombie is same height 😕

any suggestion ?

thats strange!

 

 

when i find a zombie, like zombie Arlene in the wild she is short! almost shorter then the player. 

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6 minutes ago, Adam the Waster said:

thats strange!

 

 

when i find a zombie, like zombie Arlene in the wild she is short! almost shorter then the player. 

Maybe it works only when you find spawner will not apply this changes i think.

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3 hours ago, madmole said:

It would take you a few minutes to ask how to mod it, then a few minutes to do it yourself. I wasn't a great scripter for Oblivion, but I posted questions and the generous modding community replied and I figured things out. I'm pretty sure our community would do the same for you.


It just isn't a good design for the vanilla game to have 1000's of recipes, it makes the menu lag and normal players aren't interested in crafting commercial doors and seeing 1000's of recipes in the menu confuses them.

If we switch to door helper it might be possible, but I still think it is just a better as a mod. I don't have half the stuff I'd like either, but I realize I'm a 2% player and I separate my emotional desires from good business decisions, and only choose features I think are good for the majority of players.

The argument isn't if it is realistic or not. The questions are:
Will most players use this? No.

Will it cause performance issues? Yes.

Would it delay going gold, and already promised features? Yes.
Can it be easily modded? Yes.


So unless the answers are Yes, No, No (4th question doesn't matter to me) then the answer is probably always going to be no to x feature request.


Very thank you for the explanation and the new deatils, now I understand your point of view.

Drink water and fix your backs.

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Wow. The amount of self entitlement, lack of event knowledge and complete grammar problems from that one guy was truly mind blowing. So much, he blew his  own mind and it’s no longer there. So anyways 

 

came across some piercings in game. They don't really do anything, which reminded me of the holy metal mod that’s only in the creative menu, that provides extra damage. Anyone have any info on what might become these two items? Just curious. 

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4 minutes ago, Yopo said:

came across some pirecings in game. That doesn’t really do anything, which reminded me of the holy metal mod that’s only in the creative menu, that provides extra damage. Anyone have any info on what might become these to items? Just curious. 

Iirc they increased infection chance. Sort of a balls out hardcore mode wearing them.

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37 minutes ago, Yopo said:

Wow. The amount of self entitlement, lack of event knowledge and complete grammar problems from that one guy was truly mind blowing. So much, he blew he’s  own mind and it’s no longer there. So anyways

You described Trader Rekt perfectly right there

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1 hour ago, Yopo said:

Wow. The amount of self entitlement, lack of event knowledge and complete grammar problems from that one guy was truly mind blowing. So much, he blew he’s  own mind and it’s no longer there. So anyways 

 

came across some pirecings in game. They don't really do anything, which reminded me of the holy metal mod that’s only in the creative menu, that provides extra damage. Anyone have any info on what might become these two items? Just curious. 

Sorry if my grammar is not good, english is not my mother language and I have to learn that by myself. =/

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1 hour ago, Yopo said:

Wow. The amount of self entitlement, lack of event knowledge and complete grammar problems from that one guy was truly mind blowing. So much, he blew he’s  own mind and it’s no longer there. So anyways 

 

came across some pirecings in game. They don't really do anything, which reminded me of the holy metal mod that’s only in the creative menu, that provides extra damage. Anyone have any info on what might become these two items? Just curious. 

::cough::  Pot calling the kettle black.

 

He blew "his" own mind.  

 

And it's spelled piercings.

 

Be kind people.  Not everyone is a native English speaker nor is everyone able to express themselves as efficiently as one might hope.

 

And sometimes people are posting from their phones and the spell correct gremlin gets them.

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Biscoitoso said:

Sorry if my grammar is not good, english is not my mother language and I have to learn that by myself. =/

You are fine. Not everyone is an Olympic grade typist or speller.  Continue to express your thoughts and questions the way you can. 

 

The devs seem to understand you just fine, so don't worry about it.

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It May have already been covered, on the main 7 Days site they say "We have improved Random Gen in A19 to use every POI possible in the game so players will see the breadth of content".  Every map I've generated so far fails to have at least one of each of the largest buildings, but yet can find room for 9 each of the weapon and food factories.  Is this going to remain SOP, or is it going to be fixed somehow?  Not going to use any mods, I prefer my games the way the developers design them.

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2 minutes ago, Jecks said:

It May have already been covered, on the main 7 Days site they say "We have improved Random Gen in A19 to use every POI possible in the game so players will see the breadth of content".  Every map I've generated so far fails to have at least one of each of the largest buildings, but yet can find room for 9 each of the weapon and food factories.  Is this going to remain SOP, or is it going to be fixed somehow?  Not going to use any mods, I prefer my games the way the developers design them.

I believe that skyscrapers for RWG is a work in progress.  I saw it mentioned in the bug forums.  The devs have mentioned RWG should get more of their attention on A20 so hopefully it will get sorted by then.

 

If you want a temp fix, you can easily add the missing skyscrapers into your RWG map via the world editor.

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@madmole
My declaration of intent:
 

Once Alpha 19 Stable comes out I'll be doing an Insane, Nightmare all the time, Permadeath, 64 Zed Bloodmoon, 2hr day, no air drops, 25% loot, no loot respawn, no cheese, no nerd poll, play though called 'One Life.'  Navezgane. One man RP to make it interesting.
 

The goal is to sway the opinion on nerd polling as settings options are being looked into to discourage it. 
Also there have been talks about settings options for Permadeath or 'Dead is dead' as TFP refers to it but only a lite so many lives version. It would be sad if Permadeath finally became an option and ended at lite. So that's why settings are hardest of the hard, proof this can be done.
Lastly hopefully my building style and playstyle will encourage TFP to add an adjustable AI difficulty scroll bar so that the AI will be more destructive and just be less predictable due to pathing. 
Thanks for taking the time to read this. Like and subscribe if you like but that is not the goal at this time.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbyaDG3CK5JvFDsEcAFfrPw

@madmole Would it make a better case if I did it on Random Gen? I picked Navezgane cause it's closer to a finish finished product and it will help with the RP part but if you guys think random gen is ready I can change it if you think it is too much of an advantage. I've already done Navezgane I'm pointing out, I'd be just providing you with the video evidence.

I'll post the first video when I get a good start on and then I'll stop posting vids on here after.

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1 hour ago, Biscoitoso said:

Sorry if my grammar is not good, english is not my mother language and I have to learn that by myself. =/

I am 100% sure he was talking about ken (most of his posts have been removed thankfully) and NOT about you.

 

Your English is fine and so was your grammar. And wow, people who are able to teach themselves another language impress me. I'm stuck with English and a few words of Spanish, most of which are not repeatable in polite company.

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1 hour ago, Biscoitoso said:

Sorry if my grammar is not good, english is not my mother language and I have to learn that by myself. =/

No worries, wasn’t originally referring to you

 

2 hours ago, hiemfire said:

Iirc they increased infection chance. Sort of a balls out hardcore mode wearing them.

Ah makes sense I reckon. Suppose statue for that would help it more. Like infection rate +10% , seeing as most gear has that sort of thing. I e nerdy glasses, cigar’s etc etc...

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I have a question about the 4x4 truck. Is it on purpose, that i can hear a horn or a fanfare in the backround. It is a little anoying, when you noticed it. And that the animal tracker doesn´t show everytime the animals on the map, only sometimes. Didn´t figured it out, when it shows the animals and when not.

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13 hours ago, meganoth said:

If I understand this correctly, the exploit would be to move the LCB a bit after you hit the limit. By always building at the edge of the LCB's range you effectively eliminated the limit.

And no, it isn't a good counter to remove all decos above the limit if the LCB is removed 😉

 

No it isn't. It causes problems with wanting to move the LCB for legitimate reasons. A better counter is to remove all decos above the old limit when a new one is placed at a different location, but even this causes issues.

4 people can claim 4 adjacent areas and pump a huge number of decoratives into a single chunk by placing all 4 lcbs such that they meet in the middle of a chunk. Depending on the complexity and technical requirements and limitations, it's feasible to pump so many objects into a single chunk that as soon as someone walks into distance to allow the chunk to render... the game crashes due to graphics memory limitations. Not 'has poor performance', just outright crashes. I don't unfortunately know enough about the technical limitations 7 days is on. I've written a simple voxel-based engine, but sadly I never got it to do a lot of the cool stuff 7dtd can do and eventually ended up giving up on it. Hope to pick it up again some day... but it's too much work for a single developer. At least for me.

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On 7/31/2020 at 2:48 PM, rubens9311 said:

True. But I don't think it's like this forever haha.
 Maybe it will come out stable ... 
next week?
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I have to say I love the new zombie and items and models for A19. Ok started with a compliment... Now on to the main course. 

 

With that being said my wife and I play this cooperatively are not happy at all with the new loot progression. Being locked in the stone age removes the excitement from looting. It also heavily effects mining and building. Oh look, more paper, another stone ax, or another blunderbuss... We both have over 1000 hours in this game since we moved over from console to PC. I find we are playing much less than in previous alphas.

 

I am sure I will catch hell for posting my opinion, but I wanted to say my piece. 

AHEM - "Gamestage gating everything is not fun gameplay." There I said it.

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I was doing some quests/looting today, largely in the hopes of obtaining some robotics parts (which are by the way almost impossible to find compared to any other parts, not sure if that's intentional.) In the process, I wondered if the questing system might be fleshed out in such a way to tame the RNG just a touch. Something like:

 

30% (number is arbitrary) of quests have a more focused reward selection. It's not necessarily visible to the player, but the trader dialogue can append a little hint: "Go and beat up the zeds at house_modular_whatever. Come back when you're done and you can pick an old weapon I've got lying around in the back." Low-level quests might give you a choice between a spear and a pipe shotgun, higher-level quests might let you pick a sniper rifle or a steel sledgehammer. 

 

You could do this for weapons, tools, seeds, books, electrical stuff, medicine, recipes, construction stuff... you could even align it with the trader's specialty. And this focused reward system wouldn't necessarily apply to all quests, or even most. Maybe there's a cap of 1 per trader per day. But I feel like it could lead to some interesting choices, like "Do I take this quest that's just 300m away and hope for a good reward from the generic table, or do the quest that's 1.4km away but will give me a recipe?" And there's no guarantee that the recipes offered are new/unread, so unlucky is still unlucky. 

 

Thoughts?

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3 hours ago, Xlxfearlessxlx said:

I have to say I love the new zombie and items and models for A19. Ok started with a compliment... Now on to the main course. 

 

With that being said my wife and I play this cooperatively are not happy at all with the new loot progression. Being locked in the stone age removes the excitement from looting. It also heavily effects mining and building. Oh look, more paper, another stone ax, or another blunderbuss... We both have over 1000 hours in this game since we moved over from console to PC. I find we are playing much less than in previous alphas.

 

I am sure I will catch hell for posting my opinion, but I wanted to say my piece. 

AHEM - "Gamestage gating everything is not fun gameplay." There I said it.

:)

I understand how you feel, you and your wife, myself and the people on this dev thread are hard core fans when it comes down to this game. I would say less 1% of 7D2D fans comes to the forums and a even smaller % comes to this thread.

 

You have started hundreds of worlds, killed 1000's of zombies, you have spent over 6.5 weeks real world time in a single game, you are a master at it.

 

The change the TFP have made is not geared towards us, if it was it would start on:

 

Hoard night every night

Insane zombies

Only specials

Wasteland only

No animals

Always Run

200% block damage

 

It is geared toward the new players, who have just started their first world or maybe have 5 to 10 hours in game to give them an overall slower but better experience.

 

IMO :)

 

Anni 

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2 minutes ago, Annihilatorza said:

You have started hundreds of worlds, killed 1000's of zombies, you have spent over 6.5 weeks real world time in a single game, you are a master at it.

This gives me confidence. You'll only need to spend several weeks in an actual apocalypse to master the world around you. 😎

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