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19 minutes ago, n2n1 said:

Suspend it ;) or they'll pay attention to it now... We need to move this agenda forward discreetly.

Anyway, they already have lots of LBD in A19!

 

Building is a type of doing, right?

Killing zombies is a type of doing too!

I'm completely satisfied that I will be watching streamers LBD mistakes and getting killed. They will not do those mistakes again!

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Last night's stream isn't posted to YouTube yet. Stay tuned...

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2 minutes ago, Roland said:

Last night's stream isn't posted to YouTube yet. Stay tuned...

thanks! Just watch #6 and did any questions get answered to whether the junk drone has mod slots?

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2 hours ago, Guppycur said:

Meg, changing != fixing.

 

The issue was that lbd allowed someone to spam stone axes to give them points to buy unrelated abilities.  That was never fixed.

 

Spamming stone axes should have ONLY resulted in a superior ability to make stone axes.  That was *never* introduced as a fix.

 

Don't conflate the two things. 

That's semantics. You have a different ideas of the fixes that should have been applied so you call them changes instead of fixes. Good, you know how to use a thesaurus 😉, but it still means they did try multiple times to fix it.

 

Your fix would still have resulted in people cranking out stone axes (until they found a fire axe), just by far not that many. But then they would have built lots of fire axes (until they found a steel fire axe). Now I'm sure you have a fix in mind to fix this some more and after lots of iteration we might arrive at something you might have arrived at as lead designer. But would TFP have liked that as well?

 

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Not sure....I was off and on last night so I missed some. I was threatened with being modified by wedge tips though....

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2 hours ago, Aldranon said:

Anyway, they already have lots of LBD in A19!

 

Building is a type of doing, right?

Killing zombies is a type of doing too!

I'm completely satisfied that I will be watching streamers LBD mistakes and getting killed. They will not do those mistakes again!

Streamers? Sure they will 😄

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5 minutes ago, meganoth said:

Streamers? Sure they will 😄

I know!  That's half the fun!  :D

 

The guys/gals I like watching are emotionally involved with their characters!  Its more fun watching them somehow.

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8 minutes ago, meganoth said:

That's semantics. You have a different ideas of the fixes that should have been applied so you call them changes instead of fixes. Good, you know how to use a thesaurus 😉, but it still means they did try multiple times to fix it.

 

Your fix would still have resulted in people cranking out stone axes (until they found a fire axe), just by far not that many. But then they would have built lots of fire axes (until they found a steel fire axe). Now I'm sure you have a fix in mind to fix this some more and after lots of iteration we might arrive at something you might have arrived at. But would TFP have liked that as well?

 

Believe it or not, some people find that type of gameplay fun and they wouldn't consider that broken.  Basically simulates "getting better" at making something...which is a topic that has beaten to death.  At the end of the day, the devs determined that that type of gameplay was not what they were shooting for 7d2d (e.g. faster pace, etc.)  In the grand scheme of thing I think it works given the scope of what is left to be implemented and the target time a single playthrough is supposed to take in their minds.  Harder to promote replaying the game with different builds if each playthrough takes 200 hours to burn through from beginning to end. (just an example).

 

 

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I love these updates, but must confess that it does feel weird not giving TFP any $ whatsoever throughout all these updates. Now, on one hand I get it because it is not Gold yet, and I do hope you come out with DLC expansions after you do go gold. I have been watching another crafting/survival game, Space Engineers, try out a method, which was awkward at first, but I think is working well for both them and their player base. When they come out with updates they are 2-fold, with free blocks and other features, and then an optional paid DLC with even more content, typically more on the cosmetic(optional) side. The only catch is that without the paid DLC you cannot create those blocks, but you can still see and interact with them. Not only do I think this is an interesting way to introduce DLC into a voxel world crafting game, the DLC is less than $5 (3.99)each time, so it's more than reasonable, and is allowing that studio to keep running(growing even) well post-gold. 

And they name dropped like 8 community modders who they worked with on their latest DLC, lot of new stuff in vanilla game now that came straight from the mod community. I also think they do a great job at integrating Workshop mods into the vanilla game, it is rly easy to find and install mods through an in-game menu, no need for other software overlays or forcing the player to go messing around with game file folders. It works well, and I hope 7DTD has some kind of straight-forward in-game way to add/remove and turn mods on/off when workshop becomes a thing.

Anyway, just an example from another popular voxel game, though I did and still do roll my eyes just a bit when I think of SE as being "gold", it still needs a ton more actual game play mechanics. However the things they have done since, including yesterdays new content drop, has more than made up for it. The updates being partially free and part DLC works well, the cost is low and lets players support Keen, and it is great to see Keen further embrace their mod community as well. They've turned around nicely, and have a good setup to keep income rolling so they can keep going. Just sayin, if/when you do come out with DLC, I am eager to support you that way.

My income fluctuates wildly, but I do like to support games I enjoy when I haz the $. I have every single DLC for Space Engineers, and... I almost don't want to think about, or admit, how much I have spent on Rainbow 6 Seige(only FPS I play anymore, love it)... between me and my 14 yr old son... over the years... hundreds, plural... So do something, please, it feels weeeeeird.

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10 hours ago, Trankitas said:

You just ended the stream and now you're on the forums? 

I call him Super Shawn for a reason :)

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1 minute ago, madmole said:

I call him Super Shawn for a reason :)

Tom And Jerry | The BEST Classic Cartoon | SUPERMAN JERRY Fight ...

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5 hours ago, Blake_ said:

 

@faatal , did you watch the gameplay of Rick, Latham and madmole ?

 

As you can see, they were ALL clients, and Zds dying standing were common (also dogs, but there weren't many in the video ) . There was another problem with the wolf/dog that happens on clients too : he faces downwards and moves normal without sticking out of the floor again. Usually happens when going downstairs and he attacks from there or could be a mere facing problem.

I've watched most of our streams. Saw the standing.

AI standing deaths are must fixes that I've been working on this week:

Fixed SDTD-11108 Zombies left standing after death for clients (Fixed server controlled entities (turrets) not sending damage they cause to the client that owns them).
Fixed SDTD-13118 Zombies can stand after death (after falling) (Added death check for CanFall and SetFallAndGround func, which StartDeathAnimation calls to clear fall).
Fixed SDTD-13121 Spider zombies can be standing after being killed (Fixed leg crippling turning spiders into walk type cripple).

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1 hour ago, Guppycur said:

Oh, and to my point, I'd hate to see something like the blunderbuss be removed because "no one uses it", when the /reason/ may be a simple fix.  Tfp has a history of removing rather than fixing what was wrong with things (miss you LBD!). 

The blunderbuss will be the most used firearm IMO. That doesn't mean it's great or fun, it just means the new primitive stage and loot are encouraging its use.

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@faatal, good to see these are being worked on. Does this include the cases where is a zombie is in the process of falling down or standing up when they are killed and jerk into a full standing position to being the death animation?

Hopefully the animation blending you talked about on zombie reactions when hit will help play into this but figured I would ask.

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13 minutes ago, madmole said:

I call him Super Shawn for a reason :)

Good Afternoon MM, are you HYPED for the release?!?  Think the release notes will be out today?

 

I really enjoyed your stream with rick and lathan.  It was cool to see both you and rick tag team that safe at the beginning despite your obviously different playstyles and skills.  I hope the game is still very much how you both envisioned it (or more) many years ago over thanks giving dinner. :)

 

My brother and I have many different things different between us but gaming is that one thing that we can enjoy together.  Especially 7d2d.  We are anxiously waiting to update our rented server and see what new experiences we can have together. :)

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Release date?!? For this game??? Ok who are you and what have you done with The Fun Pimps? 

 

I just popped back in and the first thing I see is an estimated release date for Alpha-19 for June 29 in a bright red box on top of the forum. What's up with that? 

 

 

We don't ever give out release dates, no not ever. Really??? lol 😆

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18 minutes ago, faatal said:

(..not sending damage they cause to the client that owns them).

 

Interesting, so clients share the AI pathfinding workload?

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32 minutes ago, Mechanimal said:

I love these updates, but must confess that it does feel weird not giving TFP any $ whatsoever throughout all these updates. Now, on one hand I get it because it is not Gold yet, and I do hope you come out with DLC expansions after you do go gold. I have been watching another crafting/survival game, Space Engineers, try out a method, which was awkward at first, but I think is working well for both them and their player base. When they come out with updates they are 2-fold, with free blocks and other features, and then an optional paid DLC with even more content, typically more on the cosmetic(optional) side. The only catch is that without the paid DLC you cannot create those blocks, but you can still see and interact with them. Not only do I think this is an interesting way to introduce DLC into a voxel world crafting game, the DLC is less than $5 (3.99)each time, so it's more than reasonable, and is allowing that studio to keep running(growing even) well post-gold. 
 

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And they name dropped like 8 community modders who they worked with on their latest DLC, lot of new stuff in vanilla game now that came straight from the mod community. I also think they do a great job at integrating Workshop mods into the vanilla game, it is rly easy to find and install mods through an in-game menu, no need for other software overlays or forcing the player to go messing around with game file folders. It works well, and I hope 7DTD has some kind of straight-forward in-game way to add/remove and turn mods on/off when workshop becomes a thing.

Anyway, just an example from another popular voxel game, though I did and still do roll my eyes just a bit when I think of SE as being "gold", it still needs a ton more actual game play mechanics. However the things they have done since, including yesterdays new content drop, has more than made up for it. The updates being partially free and part DLC works well, the cost is low and lets players support Keen, and it is great to see Keen further embrace their mod community as well. They've turned around nicely, and have a good setup to keep income rolling so they can keep going. Just sayin, if/when you do come out with DLC, I am eager to support you that way.

My income fluctuates wildly, but I do like to support games I enjoy when I haz the $. I have every single DLC for Space Engineers, and... I almost don't want to think about, or admit, how much I have spent on Rainbow 6 Seige(only FPS I play anymore, love it)... between me and my 14 yr old son... over the years... hundreds, plural... So do something, please, it feels weeeeeird.

 

No one is stopping you, from giving them more money. You can easily send them a check every major alpha build, or whatever you think, is good enough. I'm sure they wouldn't mind. ;)

Maybe start buying their merchandise, and that can fulfill your "need", to give more every so often?

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21 minutes ago, madmole said:

The blunderbuss will be the most used firearm IMO. That doesn't mean it's great or fun, it just means the new primitive stage and loot are encouraging its use.

thats good to hear! 

'maybe one day there could be other black powder weapons? so anyone with any gun class can use it early

Flintlock = pistol

Musket = Rifle

Blunderbuss = shotgun

revolving rifle = AR

Primitive bow = Bows!

 

image of the revolving rifle! 

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Remington Revolving Rifle: Loading and Shooting Remington's First ...

 

 

but that may be a bit much..... maybe ill make a pimp dreams post on it!

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7 minutes ago, Tin said:

No one is stopping you, from giving them more money. You can easily send them a check every major alpha build, or whatever you think, is good enough. I'm sure they wouldn't mind. ;)

Maybe start buying their merchandise, and that can fulfill your need to just give more, every so often?

Well I just ordered a shirt, they be outta mugs. 

Feels good fam.

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15 minutes ago, Damocles said:

Interesting, so clients share the AI pathfinding workload?

 I can only deduce from Faatals info that damage is calculated at the server (good 😉) and the animation to show at the client (standing up versus lying down)

 

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Just now, Mechanimal said:

Well I just ordered a shirt, they be outta mugs. 

Feels good fam.

I hope they make a bigger coffee mug. The first run one, is a neat little conversation piece. 

I would like a slightly bigger one though, for drinking out of :)

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Just now, Tin said:

I hope they make a bigger coffee mug. The first run one, is a neat little conversation piece. 

I would like a slightly bigger one though, for drinking out of :)

Well yeah it is way too small, I would get one for the same reason, and/or for my kids or visitors to use. My personal coffee mug holds at least twice that if not more, and I needs it that way. So a 7DTD mug would def be more of a collectible, but I will wear the shirt!

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7 minutes ago, meganoth said:

 I can only deduce from Fataals info that damage is calculated at the server (good 😉) and the animation to show at the client (standing up versus lying down)

 

If clients "own" Actors, it might very well be that the server delegates calculation costs (pathfinding being probably the most costly) to clients that have them in their local area. This allows for a lot larger client numbers (and zombies for that matter) in the end.

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Disturbing lack of social distancing in those videos...

 

And where are the masks !?!

 

Oh wait, 7D2D is about what happens when the virus wins..

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