Deccypher Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Now while this is not fact from our observations each swing of the steel pick axe is causing a roughly 80% chance to spawn a screamer. this is ridiculous for anyone who likes to build/ mine or tunnel in the game. Does anyone know where this setting is in the xml can i cange this or is it hard coded having it like this it almost feels like the pimps are trying to change the nature of the game from a "The survival Horde Crafting game" to a "just another loot and shoot game" in A17 the screamer spawn change was around 0.02% not it seams to be 80% maybe they missed a .0 and were tying to increase it to 0.08 which would seam alot better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orclover Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 A pickaxe can spawn a screamer? Just the pick? Oh man thats funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feycat Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I hardly ever see screamers anymore, and when I do they do nothing. At worst they summon 4 guys. Screamers got nerfed into the ground somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphado-Jaki Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Continuous swing of pickaxe increses at max 80% of heat cap where summons screamers. So no worry if you don't use any other heat producers to fill rest 20% such as firearms, torch, campfire or forge where you mining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Continuous swing of pickaxe increses at max 80% of heat cap where summons screamers. So no worry if you don't use any other heat producers to fill rest 20% such as firearms, torch, campfire or forge where you mining. The problem is that the heat also rises when you hit metal ore. With nitrate, stone and coal the heat does not increase but with iron ore and lead the heat increases additionally and in less than 5 minutes the heat in the chunk can be brought to over 100%. I have tested this. I started a new iron mine and only worked with the pickaxe. Nevertheless I got screamers. The whole heat and screamer system is completely bugged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I hardly ever see screamers anymore, and when I do they do nothing. At worst they summon 4 guys. Screamers got nerfed into the ground somehow. Honestly, I'm glad about that. Otherwise I would not be able to work at all. Every time I go to the mine to mine iron or lead, I have to fight off screamers and their horde every 2-5 minutes. It doesn't matter if I use an auger or a pickaxe. I have to build a wall around my mines and put spikes on the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glaston Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 They also dont have to actually "see" you before they start screaming. Been in my mine . Ceiling is 4 blocks thick. Mine opening is one block wide with wood frames blocking entrance . Screamer spawns wanders around up top till she eventually starts screaming whilst being nowhere near the mine entrance. There is no way she actually sees me . Unless its sound as well that triggers them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.natural Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 She's very sensitive and hysterical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjustus548 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I haven't had my steel pick call Screamers while I'm mining yet. The only zombies I see while mining are the regular zombies that just walk around the woods. The main thing I find reliably calls the Screamers is the Junk Turret. That thing will summon them like crazy. Especially if you use two fully perk, fully upgraded versions lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostlight Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Now while this is not fact from our observations each swing of the steel pick axe is causing a roughly 80% chance to spawn a screamer. this is ridiculous for anyone who likes to build/ mine or tunnel in the game. Does anyone know where this setting is in the xml can i cange this or is it hard coded having it like this it almost feels like the pimps are trying to change the nature of the game from a "The survival Horde Crafting game" to a "just another loot and shoot game" in A17 the screamer spawn change was around 0.02% not it seams to be 80% maybe they missed a .0 and were tying to increase it to 0.08 which would seam alot better I spend entire days down mines swinging my level 5 Steel Pick constantly. Only once ever have I had a Screamer spawn in that situation. Since the heat map ignores height, one of us is bugged. OR this is the latest build, which I have not tried yet, and you have discovered a new bug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theFlu Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Now while this is not fact from our observations each swing of the steel pick axe is causing a roughly 80% chance to spawn a screamer. this is ridiculous for anyone who likes to build/ mine or tunnel in the game. If it's "not fact from our observations" as in "not actually in the game", then is it possible that someone has just misread the line in patch notes and trying to fix something that was never broken: Rebalanced harvesting "heat" after several code fixes. An auger with all the bells, whistles, and perks mining nonstop can barely call a screamer on its own. A steel pick can get up to 80%. That's not 80% per swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieSurvivor Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 If it's "not fact from our observations" as in "not actually in the game", then is it possible that someone has just misread the line in patch notes and trying to fix something that was never broken: That's not 80% per swing. Can get up to 80% total accumulation I believe is what Hated means. Add other heat sourcs and then it'll get above 80%. I tried looking in the XML files verify again but I cannot remember for the life of me which XML would contain this info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Can get up to 80% total accumulation I believe is what Hated means. Add other heat sourcs and then it'll get above 80%. The other source of heat seems to be iron/lead ore. The sound of hitting the metal increases the heat with each hit. I've never had problems with screamers before when using the pickaxe but now they come non-stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian9824 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I spent the entire night mining with my steel pickaxe on stable and never got 1 screamer. On stable i've pretty much NEVER gotten a screamer while just using a pickaxe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I spent the entire night mining with my steel pickaxe on stable and never got 1 screamer. On stable i've pretty much NEVER gotten a screamer while just using a pickaxe. Was that A18.0 or A18.1? The changes to the heat system were made with A18.1. Furthermore it seems to only affect metal ores. Stone, nitrate and coal do not have the same effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieSurvivor Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 The other source of heat seems to be iron/lead ore. The sound of hitting the metal increases the heat with each hit. I've never had problems with screamers before when using the pickaxe but now they come non-stop. Agreed, it makes sense. I figured hiting another type of ore would be another additional source of heat but I did not want to state that without seeing it in XML. makes sense though. Was that A18.0 or A18.1? The changes to the heat system were made with A18.1. Furthermore it seems to only affect metal ores. Stone, nitrate and coal do not have the same effect. Makes sense the metal ores would produce heat due to a louder sound being played with metal on metal...but who knows untill someone finds the xml files. EDIT: I'll try 1 more time searching the xml files. see if we figure this out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieSurvivor Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Maybe this? If metal ores being destroyed is governed by this that would explain it. <SoundDataNode name="metaldestroy"> <AudioSource name="Sounds/AudioSource_Impact"/> <Noise ID="0" noise="20" time="3" muffled_when_crouched="0.65" heat_map_strength="1.42" heat_map_time="90"/> <AudioClip ClipName="Sounds/DestroyBlock/metaldestroy1"/> <AudioClip ClipName="Sounds/DestroyBlock/metaldestroy2"/> <AudioClip ClipName="Sounds/DestroyBlock/metaldestroy3"/> <LowestPitch name="0.9"/> <HighestPitch name="1.0"/> <LocalCrouchVolumeScale value="0.5"/> <CrouchNoiseScale value="0.5"/> <NoiseScale value="1"/> <MaxVoices value="10"/> <MaxRepeatRate value="0.01"/> </SoundDataNode> <SoundDataNode name="metaldestroy1"> <AudioSource name="Sounds/AudioSource_Impact"/> <Noise ID="0" noise="20" time="3" muffled_when_crouched="0.65" heat_map_strength="1.42" heat_map_time="90"/> <AudioClip ClipName="Sounds/DestroyBlock/metaldestroy1"/> <LowestPitch name="0.9"/> <HighestPitch name="1.0"/> <LocalCrouchVolumeScale value="0.5"/> <CrouchNoiseScale value="0.5"/> <NoiseScale value="1"/> <MaxVoices value="10"/> <MaxRepeatRate value="0.01"/> </SoundDataNode> <SoundDataNode name="metaldestroy2"> <AudioSource name="Sounds/AudioSource_Impact"/> <Noise ID="0" noise="20" time="3" muffled_when_crouched="0.65" heat_map_strength="1.42" heat_map_time="90"/> <AudioClip ClipName="Sounds/DestroyBlock/metaldestroy2"/> <LowestPitch name="0.9"/> <HighestPitch name="1.0"/> <LocalCrouchVolumeScale value="0.5"/> <CrouchNoiseScale value="0.5"/> <NoiseScale value="1"/> <MaxVoices value="10"/> <MaxRepeatRate value="0.01"/> </SoundDataNode> <SoundDataNode name="metaldestroy3"> <AudioSource name="Sounds/AudioSource_Impact"/> <Noise ID="0" noise="20" time="3" muffled_when_crouched="0.65" heat_map_strength="1.42" heat_map_time="90"/> <AudioClip ClipName="Sounds/DestroyBlock/metaldestroy3"/> <LowestPitch name="0.9"/> <HighestPitch name="1.0"/> <LocalCrouchVolumeScale value="0.5"/> <CrouchNoiseScale value="0.5"/> <NoiseScale value="1"/> <MaxVoices value="10"/> <MaxRepeatRate value="0.01"/> </SoundDataNode> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphado-Jaki Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 The problem is that the heat also rises when you hit metal ore. With nitrate, stone and coal the heat does not increase but with iron ore and lead the heat increases additionally and in less than 5 minutes the heat in the chunk can be brought to over 100%. I have tested this. I started a new iron mine and only worked with the pickaxe. Nevertheless I got screamers. The whole heat and screamer system is completely bugged. I tested it by myself and realized no heat from stone or coal, and some heat from iron and lead as you said. However, using max pick with best mods, with all skill maxed out, with all skill book NEVER EXCEED 70% of heat even if breaking ONLY IRON. If I sometimes break stone or gravel, it never exceed 60%. Now, no need to worry about heat with steel pick (I mean max pick as Q6 steelpick of max block damage with diamond mod, iron breaker, bunker duster and weighted head mod) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieSurvivor Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 deleted. On second thought, maybe it has changed so i dont want to put out the wrong info just in case it has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khulkhuum Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 A good tip - try mining crouched and only use the headlight. The only times i encounter screamers is around my base, but even that is rare (sometimes with all 4 forges, workbench and chemo active). I even mined the rubble at the floor level with a steel PX while i had torches high above in my base (i presume the height doesn't matter, just the vicinity) and with active (forges, WB, CS, campfire), but didn't have a trail of screamers chasing me. Perhaps it's also a matter of what POIs are nearby or dependant on biome? My base is on the edge of the town in the forest biome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombieSurvivor Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 A good tip - try mining crouched and only use the headlight. lol this is the exact tip i gave then deleted because I was not sure if it still works this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostlight Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Will try this tonight on the new build. Though personally I'd be delighted if my day's mining Iron pulled in a bunch of Screamers, because mining for a day in A18 is so goddam BORING, I could use a bit of excitement. Also, the question that must be asked in any thread that complains about Screamers is....what is your day length set to? This setting seems to make a major difference to Screamer occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clism Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 I'm on the latest version and I have 5 or 6 screamers almost constantly at my base, mine. I use augers, no picks. Have probably 100 torches out. Many forges and chem stations going 24/7. I just put a spikes and barbed wire out and the screamers all die on the spikes. I constantly have to put out more spikes/repair them though as the screamers just never stop coming. My day length is maximum, I like long days. I don't mind the screamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warmer Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 If we are all in agreement that loud noises attract zombies, why are we at all surprised that continuously pulverizing rock is a reliable way to do so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipClaw Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 If we are all in agreement that loud noises attract zombies, why are we at all surprised that continuously pulverizing rock is a reliable way to do so? Because the release notes of A18.1 claim that if you use a pickaxe then no screams will get spawned. However, my experience shows me that it is not so if you use a pickaxe to mine lead or iron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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