Zombie_Jam Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 It seems people aren't taking to this new 'farming' gig which sounds more like a potted plant fetish than anything else. You know, MadMole seems like a decent man, but sometimes his hypocrisy is just too much to quantify. Reflecting on and contemplating farming, and other posts on here, I recall MadMole implying that farming isn't intuitive in that you need a crap load of stuff like clay, iron, wood and leather, a forge and whatnot to make a hoe. And all that jabber after he puts it to the playerbase, quite forthrightly might I add, that if you want something, you have to get off your arse and work for it. Lol. The obvious option here is why not have a small farming tutorial when you unlock farming (having the hoe as an unlock) as a little bit of an immersive introduction to the perk? Could code something in like a sound effect with 'Farming: Unlocked' superimposed on the screen, and a little popup text reading something like: 'Scavenged supplies won't last forever. Take the hunger out of surviving the zombie apocalypse by learning how to work the land. To get started, craft a hoe.' Followed by a quest maybe, which instructs the player on how to craft the hoe - rewarding some exp or giving coffee seeds as a reward for completion. What would be super cool in the future is if items that required multiple parts had actual paper schematics with a hand drawing of the item scribbled down and lines showing different required parts and how to get them - i.e. the axe with a line from the head and the shaft stating: forged iron with clay and iron beneath it, and wood for the shaft. It would really add something to the game as a lot of if is menu text. (I know we have something similar already but pah - maybe for certain items tied to certain builds. Just sharing some ideas anyway.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falloutcloud Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 suggestions I could make: First, reduce the size of the planter box by half. Then it looks more natural when sitting on flat ground or make both sizes available. Second, you could make both versions of farming applicable. Return the need to fertilize using the same ingredients for the planter minus the wood but requires the hoe. The planter would not need the hoe. Third, giving the hoe the ability to shape the land for aesthetic reasons gives it another use without being required for survival. Apologize if these suggestions have been made already but there's many pages of comments about this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Get your prefab makers to start building: Wolf dens pois <- sometimes the entities spawn in/around them, and sometimes they don't. Bear dens pois <- etc,. Mountain lion poi locations and so on.. (Sometimes have zeds populate these dens) Cheap Hostile animal deaths fixed. Relegate "wilderness" Zombie spawns, to only spawn in "sub biomes". So that way, they are not always equally spread out throughout the whole biome. Wilderness zombie population fixed so it has an "ebb -n- flow", instead of always being constantly present. :/ So, what would be the point of even thinking about static terrain and having more entities capable of being on screen, if you are looking for ways to get rid of their presence because of the performance issue then? Glad you all are thinking about establishing an "ebb n flow" to your game. Hope it works out. Time will tell I guess.. I just don't know if making your world seem even more deserted, by cutting the biome spawns even more, is going to work like you hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beHypE Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Damn what a ride in this thread for such a small change. I've always felt the old system was pretty gimmicky and I'm looking forward to using the new plant boxes. I've been a fierce advocate of not dumbing down every system in the past (A17) but this ♥♥♥♥storm is really out of place for such a small rework of a 0.1% gametime feature. Regarding the reduction of zombies in the wilderness... If 5 less zombies per chunk supposedly improve performance that much I doubt "static terrain" will allow for hundreds of entities, since that was an argument... Anyways I wouldn't even mind thinning the field "in the wild" that much if that was coupled with a (drastic) increase of zombies in the streets / cities. But right now I kinda fear the world will seem even more empty, aside from when you wake up sleepers in POIs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falloutcloud Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Damn what a ride in this thread for such a small change. I've always felt the old system was pretty gimmicky and I'm looking forward to using the new plant boxes. I've been a fierce advocate of not dumbing down every system in the past (A17) but this ♥♥♥♥storm is really out of place for such a small rework of a 0.1% gametime feature. Regarding the reduction of zombies in the wilderness... If 5 less zombies per chunk supposedly improve performance that much I doubt "static terrain" will allow for hundreds of entities, since that was an argument... Anyways I wouldn't even mind thinning the field "in the wild" that much if that was coupled with a (drastic) increase of zombies in the streets / cities. But right now I kinda fear the world will seem even more empty, aside from when you wake up sleepers in POIs. I'm hoping with the random encounter generator it will make the world feel more alive without eating up performance. I believe that was the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beHypE Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I'm hoping with the random encounter generator it will make the world feel more alive without eating up performance. I believe that was the goal. Sure but unless I've misread what madmole said, it is an A19+ feature, thus leaving a huge void for A18. And we all know the length of an alpha release by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie_Jam Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Damn what a ride in this thread for such a small change. I've always felt the old system was pretty gimmicky and I'm looking forward to using the new plant boxes. I've been a fierce advocate of not dumbing down every system in the past (A17) but this ♥♥♥♥storm is really out of place for such a small rework of a 0.1% gametime feature. Be considerate of other players who don't hold such contempt for what you regard as a triviality. There are more than just you playing the game and so long as your playstyle isn't compromised then have the courtesy to allow others who actually enjoy farming to fight for a feature they would rather see expanded on and refined, rather than simplified into a sorry excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beHypE Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Be considerate of other players who don't hold such contempt for what you regard as a triviality. There are more than just you playing the game and so long as your playstyle isn't compromised then have the courtesy to allow others who actually enjoy farming to fight for a feature they would rather see expanded on and refined, rather than simplified into a sorry excuse. All I'm saying is the doom and gloom is real for such a small rework. You may not like the change & criticize it, and that's ok, but I've read several posts where it was the good ol' "i'll probably just skip A18", "your veteran players will not keep on recommending the game if you cater to beginners only", yada yada. The general reaction was over the top is all i'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Nice Cup of Tea Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 ok peeps.. i decided to go ahead and jump back a build or so and show you a tad bit about the farm plot.. i hope it shows you what you are asking about, i thought i covered what was needed... one thing i forgot to show you was.. you can paint the plots too.. i did do a screen shot. enjoy the plot is a 1 m block. video: painting: [ATTACH=CONFIG]29094[/ATTACH] video is public now! I notice that you planted trees in your farm plots as well as crops. Are you still able to plant trees on normal ground in A18 and have them grow, or are they limited to farm plots only like crops are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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unholyjoe Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I notice that you planted trees in your farm plots as well as crops. Are you still able to plant trees on normal ground in A18 and have them grow, or are they limited to farm plots only like crops are? trees can still be planted as normal.. i merely showed i can plant a tree in the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverWolf Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Ehm, sorry if this has been mentioned/answered already(have been lurking on this thread but really can't remember): are any new electrics such as advanced circuits(OR/AND/OR/XOR etc)/breakers/sensors planned for the future alphas, as I pressume A19 is already content-locked? I know this maybe isn't the right place or time to ask that, but with addition of so much content in a18, one can only hope for some new electric stuff, as that would be awesome for some playstyles. Thank you in advance. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prisma501 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I strongly disagree. Having the streets and the wilderness completely void of zombies would make the world feel indescribably empty, and not in a good way. Not an an apocalypse way, but in a, "Seriously, why are all the zombies inside structures?" sort of manner. Having at least some zombies wandering around adds a dynamic feeling, it adds a bit of life to being outside, and not from a realistic perspective. While I'm not a fan of the streets being completely flooded with zeds, the odd one here and there just breathes life to the outside world, irony not intended. An empty world would feel... empty, you know? Imagine The Walking Dead but where all the zombies are confined to houses. Challenge isn't part of the picture, but making the world feel "alive" is. Having every single roaming zombie removed would make the outside world seem "lifeless". (Yes, I know there are undead.) https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?111778-Alpha-18-Dev-Diary!!&p=1014703&viewfull=1#post1014703 Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toores Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Na, I got attacked from behind while fighting zombies and instant bleed with no bandages. At a minimum they need to howl before they go agro and bark or something. Its completely unfair for day 1 survivors unless we changed them like pigs but they aggro if you get too close. Right now they just rush up silently and cheaply kill players who aren't armored yet, that isn't fun for noobs or veterans. Had I been in the wasteland and it was a rad dog, sure, cool eat me I deserved that, but it wasn't. Make wolves scared of torches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gazz Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @MechanicalLens At least twice now you have posted about the complete removal of wilderness zombies. No one even hinted at that. You just made up another scare story for readers to lose their ♥♥♥♥ over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechanicalLens Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 @MechanicalLens At least twice now you have posted about the complete removal of wilderness zombies. No one even hinted at that. You just made up another scare story for readers to lose their ♥♥♥♥ over. My apologies. I tend to overthink things. Deleting them now. Although I am not a developer, I am still very passionate about this game, and all I want is for it to continue to succeed. Just saying. *Sits awkwardly in the background* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SittingDuck Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 7 days to die release today: that will be fun ^^ (yeah right, not A18 but still a release) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falloutcloud Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Sure but unless I've misread what madmole said, it is an A19+ feature, thus leaving a huge void for A18. And we all know the length of an alpha release by now... From what the people are saying that are currently playing a18 it's a barely noticeable difference except for improvement in performance. I wish the random encounters were here already but as long as it's a feature that's planned I'm willing to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meganoth Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Let's begin morning prayer with the mantra "Hommm, I have to experience it myself before commenting, hommmm", but overall I don't mind the changes. If they are detrimental, there is a long A19 dev cycle to complain about them. I used to play with a friend of mine and she would much prefer base tending, clothing crafting, farming, and some mining with a little zombie hunting while I went about my business. I think I've got a solution to this (and it seems yes, there are players who want grindy activities to "support" others and it might make sense to not ignore them). While it is absolutely too early to post this idea, well, before I forget it: Basic farming should be like in A18, non-grindy and just costing materials. Because lets face it, most players probably see farming as a grindy necessity, nothing more (*). But there should be a further optional level where you get more resources from your field by regularily tending to your farm plots (watering or tilling). It could work like this: 1) harvesting a plant produces a plant OR a seed (ration 5:1). The crafting of seeds from plants is either gone or a rare recipe. 2) Watering/tilling your plant produces more plants (and maybe gives a different ratio of plant versus seed). Result: The majority of players will not see much of a change from now, a few will decide to be farmer and trade time and grind and get more out of the farm and be self-sufficient earlier in the game. "Farmville"-type players will rejoice, everyone else will not be bothered (except players with OCD) (*) 4 players on a co-op server, none wants to be the farmer. Not a representative sample, just what I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genosis Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 7 days to die release today: that will be fun ^^ (yeah right, not A18 but still a release) Sweet! I knew it was today, didn't realize they setup a premiere. My wife and I were heavily inspired to make a YouTube channel from watching Neebs play 7 days to die, and aimed for a similar style except with a husband/wife dynamic. Unfortunately, I will have to wait until I get home from work to watch it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rassilon Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 So what you're telling me is that I cannot plant crops in the ground, I can only plant into a box that I craft. Peoples complaints about simplification are valid. Why have different tier weapons? It's all about progression. Planting in soil was Tier 1, watering the soil, Tier 2, fertilizing the soil, Tier 3 to get better harvests. Yes, I know harvest is by perk points now, but you keep removing things that players like. No one is complaining about the farm plot blocks. Like most, it is an attractive addition for internal base farms, but I had fields and fields of farms with every type of plant. It seems you are making an Action RPG. The Survival, Horde, Crafting game is losing those characteristics. RPGs are about choice, different builds play differently. Now your choice is less about play styles and more about which weapons to choose. Crafters, and survivalists, even miners are getting less and less each alpha until everyone is just a shooter. This is all my opinion of course, but I also find the reduction in complexity saddening. Dude. They took away that cheesy Hoe and made placing a plant/pot more costly thus even increasing Progress-curve. Dont jump onto the hatetrain before you could have had laid hands on it. Give Madmole&Staff some credit here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toores Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I'm fantastic at the game,... Consider me not convinced! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSlayerGM Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Sorry to be that guy. but I really like the sleepers and dont need strays at all in the wild. As it has been said: They add nothing. Just a inconvinience. I do would prefer bigger/more frequent wandering Hordes, scaled in Size and strength to Gamestage. But Sleepers? Now looting POIs is a real challenge. Is this madmole second account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorMunchy Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 If this starts a ♥♥♥♥ storm I'm going to ban everyone or close the forums down. You can no longer boil water in a can. You can simply boil water from a jar of murky water now without a cooking pot, but it takes 4x as long as with a cooking pot. Why? More sharp sticks. Only veterans knew about the canned water trick and it was only useful on a really bad day where you couldn't find a cooking pot. So we removed cans of water and you can just boil jars of water now. One way to do things is best. OOOH CANNED WATER. Im talking about the buckets! Sorry about that! I could give 2 ♥♥♥♥s about the can. yea that was a nifty trick but was stupid. I mean the actual buckts. like to transplant water blocks froma river or lake so we can create a well or moat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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