Armor9 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 You should realize that A18 builds off of A17 and improves it but if you full out hated A17 then I can't see you falling in love with A18 especially if your hatred of A17 had anything to do with a lack of LBD, spending perk points earned by doing one thing on some other totally unrelated thing, "smart" AI, slow progression, perks you want being spread across different attributes, digging zombies, and lots of dungeon POI's. Those things are still present in A18. What A18 really does well is balance the xp gains better, gives greater incentives for looting and exploring, and offers five truly asymmetrical specialized builds that have advantages and disadvantages to their gameplay. Also A18 has better RWG. I fully expect the same people who hated A17 to whine about several aspects* of A18 and many A17 haters I suspect will whine that it still seems to be "too similar" to that version you labeled as unplayable. But I could be wrong.... Demolisher forces one style of gameplay!! Still too many sleepers per POI!! Rage zombies are unfair especially with network issues!! My favorite perks are spread across four attributes!! Zombies still dig! Why are you forcing people above ground?!?! Zombies destroy hatches above ladders now! Why are you forcing people off of their perches?!?! I can kill zombies and then learn how to craft seeds!?!?! Where's my hoe? It was my favorite tool in the game and a core tool since Alpha 1!! Still no LBD!! It's day 7 and I'm only level 8! A18 just stretches out the early game again!! Why is the FOV locked!?!? The good news is that if you liked A17 like I did then you will absolutely adore A18. One oft written remark I read when A17 dropped was that people just wished that TFP would have taken A16 as a base and enhanced that instead of doing the overhaul of A17. Well I am pleased to say that A18 is exactly that in relation to A17. They took the A17 base gameplay and improved and enhanced and added lots of reasons for exploration and fun progression opportunities via all the new books. But A18 is definitely closer to A17 than it is dissimilar at least in my opinion. And thank goodness it is nothing like that mess called A16... I wouldn't be able to tell you my opinion of A18 since I haven't played it for months like you. I can tell you that A17 was a step back, NOT because of the lack of LBD, I could care less, it was the complete meh to exploration, how EVERY building was a dungeon was complete crap loot and a waste of time. Not balanced or tested at all. As MM said, he didn't really test A17 at all. Are are throwing all the common complaints about at A17 at me thinking you know me just because I argue that streamers shouldn't get a preference to play ANY Alpha, not just A18. But then again you wouldn't know or care because you play them months in advance so it is meh to you, but those of us that have been here JUST AS LONG AS YOU but without the perks you get, it matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechanicalLens Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 deleted - - - Updated - - - That's so sad. Should have been banning cell phone use entirely, not just a single site visited. Idk how I ever survived a day at school pre cell phone days out of contact! Oh the horror! I know - grumpy old man syndrome... drives me absolutely crazy tho seeing people walking down the street with their heads buried in their phones. Or driving down the road. Or at their child's school play/sporting event etc. My younger sister attends said school now. Cell phones are banned, they've gotten rid of the computer room in favor of textbooks that are several decades out of date. It's just sad. A lot of people today believe (particularly older generations; no offense, but people of my generation, 25-ish and below, grew up with technology, so naturally, many more of us would be accepting of it) that technology has "invaded our day to day lives" and that it "must be pushed back" and that teaching youth about our technological future/present will harm their learning. But not preparing them for this brave new world is doing just that. *Slaps forehead* Edit: It also drives me mad seeing youth burying their heads in their phones (hence I don't own one; only a flip phone), or when families sit at a table at a fancy restaurant and never say a word to each other. Heck, I once saw this family texting to each other while they sat right next to/across from each other! But at the same time, as the saying goes, "resistance is futile". While we should not let technology govern our lives and enslave us to their will, we simply cannot ignore it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxTeller718 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 The thing I dont get if TFP are so welling to give streamers the code why not give people like modders/coders it? I mean especially for those who make server managers and mods that are heavily used. The faster these modders update their stuff the faster server owners can update servers too, which would mean more servers for new players to play on when they buy the game. I can think of at least 10 coders/moders on this forum alone who i would rather have access to the game before any streamer. If modders were ever given early access it would only be a courtesy thing. There really is no benefit to giving us early access anyway. I mean most mods are written over weeks and months so 3 days doesnt really do anything. Sure i would love to play early, and sure id love to see those xmls too and see what has changed but it is by no means a dire emergency for me nor do i NEED access. Ill be right there with all of you playing Monday morning anyway. I dont plan to work on anything until I have given Vanilla a fair shake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I wouldn't be able to tell you my opinion of A18 since I haven't played it for months like you. I can tell you that A17 was a step back, NOT because of the lack of LBD, I could care less, it was the complete meh to exploration, how EVERY building was a dungeon was complete crap loot and a waste of time. Not balanced or tested at all. As MM said, he didn't really test A17 at all. Are are throwing all the common complaints about at A17 at me thinking you know me just because I argue that streamers shouldn't get a preference to play ANY Alpha, not just A18. But then again you wouldn't know or care because you play them months in advance so it is meh to you, but those of us that have been here JUST AS LONG AS YOU but without the perks you get, it matter. I hope A18 brings the fun back for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechanicalLens Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I wouldn't be able to tell you my opinion of A18 since I haven't played it for months like you. I can tell you that A17 was a step back, NOT because of the lack of LBD, I could care less, it was the complete meh to exploration, how EVERY building was a dungeon was complete crap loot and a waste of time. Not balanced or tested at all. As MM said, he didn't really test A17 at all. Are are throwing all the common complaints about at A17 at me thinking you know me just because I argue that streamers shouldn't get a preference to play ANY Alpha, not just A18. But then again you wouldn't know or care because you play them months in advance so it is meh to you, but those of us that have been here JUST AS LONG AS YOU but without the perks you get, it matter. A17 served as a template towards the greatness that is/will be A18. How about that? (: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armor9 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 This climate where people seem to think that it is an evil business practice for devs and game companies to try to make as much money as they can needs to end. Just because they make games doesnt mean they arent allowed to profit. Is MM and his team supposed to limit how much money they can make? Funniest thing is the way some people talk I really wonder what you do in your real life. You must not be successful or have any money. Since no one else is allowed to be profitable, I assume you live by this same decree? Or are devs some mythical gods beholden to work 24 hours a day for pennies on the dollar so you can host your LAN part and eat Doritos all weekend. Since when did it somehow become looked down upon for a small company to actually try to make money? I have no issues with streamers streaming the game, so what. The issue is the false hype they are creating. Those aren't unique people watching those streams. It is all the kids that want to play but can't that are flocking to those streams to get some crumbs of things that are new. No one can tell me that it isn't ready for mass release when streamers get it because why would you want to show game breaking bugs to the handful of streamers that are streaming it? I get it, its the same handful of loyalist or new players that defend the practice of releasing to the streamers first. No argument will sway you. Heck I get called a child and entitled and that person doesn't get an infraction but I call streamers children and entitled and I get an infraction. Hypocritical? Yes. Will it change? It hasn't in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechanicalLens Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I have no issues with streamers streaming the game, so what. The issue is the false hype they are creating. Those aren't unique people watching those streams. It is all the kids that want to play but can't that are flocking to those streams to get some crumbs of things that are new. No one can tell me that it isn't ready for mass release when streamers get it because why would you want to show game breaking bugs to the handful of streamers that are streaming it? I get it, its the same handful of loyalist or new players that defend the practice of releasing to the streamers first. No argument will sway you. Heck I get called a child and entitled and that person doesn't get an infraction but I call streamers children and entitled and I get an infraction. Hypocritical? Yes. Will it change? It hasn't in years. Neither do I (have an issue with it). I see no one complaining that certain privileged critics get to see early screenings of movies. Why should this be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaranth Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I have no issues with streamers streaming the game, so what. The issue is the false hype they are creating. Those aren't unique people watching those streams. It is all the kids that want to play but can't that are flocking to those streams to get some crumbs of things that are new. No one can tell me that it isn't ready for mass release when streamers get it because why would you want to show game breaking bugs to the handful of streamers that are streaming it? I get it, its the same handful of loyalist or new players that defend the practice of releasing to the streamers first. No argument will sway you. Heck I get called a child and entitled and that person doesn't get an infraction but I call streamers children and entitled and I get an infraction. Hypocritical? Yes. Will it change? It hasn't in years. I mean from your very first post you've been sarcastic and called people who want to watch the streams "kids." The fact of the matter is this DOES generate hype, and new people join the game all the time. The options are streamers get it Friday and you get it Monday, or no one gets it Friday and you get it Monday. If you think TFP should forgo an opportunity to generate hype and help themselves because it makes your ego feel better and nothing more, that's on you. Just try to go with the flow. It's not meant to be personal. We will all get the game and we will all be able to play it edit: When this concept was first introduced there was a lot of push back. I think that was normal and understandable. But after all this time when the details came out and it is understood why they are doing it this way.. Cmon man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armor9 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I mean from your very first post you've been sarcastic and called people who want to watch the streams "kids." The fact of the matter is this DOES generate hype, and new people join the game all the time. The options are streamers get it Friday and you get it Monday, or no one gets it Friday and you get it Monday. If you think TFP should forgo an opportunity to generate hype and help themselves because it makes your ego feel better and nothing more, that's on you. Just try to go with the flow. It's not meant to be personal. We will all get the game and we will all be able to play it edit: When this concept was first introduced there was a lot of push back. I think that was normal and understandable. But after all this time when the details came out and it is understood why they are doing it this way.. Cmon man ?? What are you talking about, from my very first post I've been sarcastic and calling people who watch streams kids? Haven't you actually LOOKED at my posts? Trust me, you haven't if you made that post. That's ok, I've said my piece for this Alpha when it happened as I have in the past and I am sure I will say it again in the future when it happens again in another 18 months. Not sure you understand the definition of ego, but that's ok. If I said I was a streamer and complained I didn't get it that would be an ego issue; but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaranth Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 ?? What are you talking about, from my very first post I've been sarcastic and calling people who watch streams kids? Haven't you actually LOOKED at my posts? Trust me, you haven't if you made that post. That's ok, I've said my piece for this Alpha when it happened as I have in the past and I am sure I will say it again in the future when it happens again in another 18 months. "To watch OTHERS play the game to drive hype for more sales. WOOHOO so excited....j/k I'm not, kids want to watch people play games." ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I have no issues with streamers streaming the game, so what. The issue is the false hype they are creating. Those aren't unique people watching those streams. It is all the kids that want to play but can't that are flocking to those streams to get some crumbs of things that are new. No one can tell me that it isn't ready for mass release when streamers get it because why would you want to show game breaking bugs to the handful of streamers that are streaming it? I get it, its the same handful of loyalist or new players that defend the practice of releasing to the streamers first. No argument will sway you. Heck I get called a child and entitled and that person doesn't get an infraction but I call streamers children and entitled and I get an infraction. Hypocritical? Yes. Will it change? It hasn't in years. How do you know that person didn't get an infraction? Nobody knew YOU got an infraction until you outed yourself. Infractions are private and not advertised on the forum and it is in fact against forum rules to even do so because all an infraction is is an invitation to change your tone and your behavior. There is no punishment attached to it and it is completely private. Now since you are making this public I will say to all what I said to you privately which is this: TFP is supportive and encouraging of our partners who stream 7 Days to Die. We know many of them are loyal fans and good members of this forum community. Publicly insulting them is not a welcome form of communication and railing against an officially adopted program is something to be done elsewhere and not here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damocles Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 My younger sister attends said school now. Cell phones are banned, they've gotten rid of the computer room in favor of textbooks that are several decades out of date. It's just sad. A lot of people today believe (particularly older generations; no offense, but people of my generation, 25-ish and below, grew up with technology, so naturally, many more of us would be accepting of it) that technology has "invaded our day to day lives" and that it "must be pushed back" and that teaching youth about our technological future/present will harm their learning. But not preparing them for this brave new world is doing just that. *Slaps forehead* I dont think the ability to use chat programs and download casual games on a phone teaches anything on technology, other than using a contemporary device and software (like using a TV remote control, does not make one understand TV technology) When I see the youth, I mostly see them using tablets and phones as pure consumer devices, and not so much PCs/Laptops (wich can be used to actually work on creating things) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCrook1028 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 ?? What are you talking about, from my very first post I've been sarcastic and calling people who watch streams kids? Haven't you actually LOOKED at my posts? Trust me, you haven't if you made that post. That's ok, I've said my piece for this Alpha when it happened as I have in the past and I am sure I will say it again in the future when it happens again in another 18 months. Your first post on the topic is below. Before that your last post was 4 days ago so yes, what Amaranth said was perfectly accurate. "To watch OTHERS play the game to drive hype for more sales. WOOHOO so excited....j/k I'm not, kids want to watch people play games. If it is ready for STREAMERS it is ready for the masses to play on experimental. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I am sure I will say it again in the future when it happens again in another 18 months. I wouldn't advise that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechanicalLens Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I dont think the ability to use chat programs and download casual games on a phone teaches anything on technology, other than using a contemporary device and software (like using a TV remote control, does not make one understand TV technology) When I see the youth, I mostly see them using tablets and phones as pure consumer devices, and not so much PCs/Laptops (wich can be used to actually work on creating things) Very true. Years ago in my old school, in the tech lab, they'd teach students on how to create their own websites, etc. You know, entrepreneurial "crafts". Just my opinion, but it's unfortunate to see those programs go. (Well, "have gone".) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxodous Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Bench press is overrated and nearly useless for developing chest mass because the fibers run sideways, so pressing movements don't use a whole lot of your chest muscles, more triceps and shoulders. Flies are the best for chest. My bench sucks (I have fairly long arms 76" reach) the best I've done is 240x10 which equates to 320 1 rep max. I've had elbow and shoulder injuries so currently I'm only benching 210x10. I can seated dip 325x10 though, triceps are strong af. Agreed bench press sucks. Having your hands locked to the bar prevents any rotational adjustment at the shoulder increasing the risk of injury IMHO. I'd much rather do dumbbells (110's for 6 is my best) Seems like there's a general attitude that it's a lesser lift than bar bell press (not manly enough maybe) but it's definitely a different lifting experience needing to balance that weight individually in each hand. You also have to maintain better form and control the weight a lot more going down than some of those you see bouncing the bar off their chest lol. Do you do any dumbbell presses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis92x Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 You should realize that A18 builds off of A17 and improves it but if you full out hated A17 then I can't see you falling in love with A18 especially if your hatred of A17 had anything to do with a lack of LBD, spending perk points earned by doing one thing on some other totally unrelated thing, "smart" AI, slow progression, perks you want being spread across different attributes, digging zombies, and lots of dungeon POI's. Those things are still present in A18. What A18 really does well is balance the xp gains better, gives greater incentives for looting and exploring, and offers five truly asymmetrical specialized builds that have advantages and disadvantages to their gameplay. Also A18 has better RWG. I fully expect the same people who hated A17 to whine about several aspects* of A18 and many A17 haters I suspect will whine that it still seems to be "too similar" to that version you labeled as unplayable. But I could be wrong.... Demolisher forces one style of gameplay!! Still too many sleepers per POI!! Rage zombies are unfair especially with network issues!! My favorite perks are spread across four attributes!! Zombies still dig! Why are you forcing people above ground?!?! Zombies destroy hatches above ladders now! Why are you forcing people off of their perches?!?! I can kill zombies and then learn how to craft seeds!?!?! Where's my hoe? It was my favorite tool in the game and a core tool since Alpha 1!! Still no LBD!! It's day 7 and I'm only level 8! A18 just stretches out the early game again!! Why is the FOV locked!?!? The good news is that if you liked A17 like I did then you will absolutely adore A18. One oft written remark I read when A17 dropped was that people just wished that TFP would have taken A16 as a base and enhanced that instead of doing the overhaul of A17. Well I am pleased to say that A18 is exactly that in relation to A17. They took the A17 base gameplay and improved and enhanced and added lots of reasons for exploration and fun progression opportunities via all the new books. But A18 is definitely closer to A17 than it is dissimilar at least in my opinion. And thank goodness it is nothing like that mess called A16... To be fair...that FOV slider is a legitimate request. As I have gotten older, low FOV makes me sick. I love 7 days and I have loved every update. I have been lurking on these forums since 2013. My only gripe? No FOV slider. I never posted to complain on the forums about it - wouldn't do anything anyway. I just learned how to edit the game .dll files to set the default FOV to 90 instead of having to use a console command every time I booted the game up. Currently with 1,113 hours of gameplay in it. Which is maybe too much for someone who works as much as I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldranon Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Ya know, you patting THEM on the back only encourages more discussion from the other side which just prolongs the argument. ...hell, lbd is back in discussion, because you once again incorrectly validated the idea that lbd was the problem. The problem was lbd allowed XP to be spent outside of the action (crafting stone axes to buy a concrete perk). The problem was NEVER lbd, it was the perk system. The problem is TFP just don't want to do it that way and yet you continue. I suppose you think you're "helping" them be better, but if a person doesn't like doing something they will usually stop doing it. In this case, making the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 The problem is TFP just don't want to do it that way and yet you continue. I suppose you think you're "helping" them be better, but if a person doesn't like doing something they will usually stop doing it. In this case, making the game. ...so... you think they'll stop making the game? Because of me? I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. =) Look, all I'm saying is that the best way to drop a discussion, is to actually drop it. - - - Updated - - - deleted - - - Updated - - - That's so sad. Should have been banning cell phone use entirely, not just a single site visited. Idk how I ever survived a day at school pre cell phone days out of contact! Oh the horror! I know - grumpy old man syndrome... drives me absolutely crazy tho seeing people walking down the street with their heads buried in their phones. Or driving down the road. Or at their child's school play/sporting event etc. My daughter was doing homework (math), and asked alexa for the answer... we got that sorted, but technology is a crutch. I don't want my kids to know what buttons to press, I want them to understand WHY they're pressing them. Technology does not help in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldranon Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 ...so... you think they'll stop making the game? Because of me? I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. =) Look, all I'm saying is that the best way to drop a discussion, is to actually drop it. I'm surprised you took what I said so far out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Louden Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 You should realize that A18 builds off of A17 and improves it but if you full out hated A17 then I can't see you falling in love with A18 especially if your hatred of A17 had anything to do with a lack of LBD, spending perk points earned by doing one thing on some other totally unrelated thing, "smart" AI, slow progression, perks you want being spread across different attributes, digging zombies, and lots of dungeon POI's. Those things are still present in A18. What A18 really does well is balance the xp gains better, gives greater incentives for looting and exploring, and offers five truly asymmetrical specialized builds that have advantages and disadvantages to their gameplay. Also A18 has better RWG. I fully expect the same people who hated A17 to whine about several aspects* of A18 and many A17 haters I suspect will whine that it still seems to be "too similar" to that version you labeled as unplayable. But I could be wrong.... Demolisher forces one style of gameplay!! Still too many sleepers per POI!! Rage zombies are unfair especially with network issues!! My favorite perks are spread across four attributes!! Zombies still dig! Why are you forcing people above ground?!?! Zombies destroy hatches above ladders now! Why are you forcing people off of their perches?!?! I can kill zombies and then learn how to craft seeds!?!?! Where's my hoe? It was my favorite tool in the game and a core tool since Alpha 1!! Still no LBD!! It's day 7 and I'm only level 8! A18 just stretches out the early game again!! Why is the FOV locked!?!? The good news is that if you liked A17 like I did then you will absolutely adore A18. One oft written remark I read when A17 dropped was that people just wished that TFP would have taken A16 as a base and enhanced that instead of doing the overhaul of A17. Well I am pleased to say that A18 is exactly that in relation to A17. They took the A17 base gameplay and improved and enhanced and added lots of reasons for exploration and fun progression opportunities via all the new books. But A18 is definitely closer to A17 than it is dissimilar at least in my opinion. And thank goodness it is nothing like that mess called A16... I'd be upset if Roland took away my ho too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 I remember pride (I think) was pretty brutal... Loved it. As long as they're a willing participant, fuggit. Royce ruined the entertainment imo by introducing a superior way of winning. Yeah now you need it all to be a top guy, JuJitsu, wrestling, mau-tai, kickboxing etc. Spelling is most likely fubar but you get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 My new automated zombie killing system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppycur Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I'm surprised you took what I said so far out of context. Hm, I re-read and admit I still don't get it. =) - - - Updated - - - Yeah now you need it all to be a top guy, JuJitsu, wrestling, mau-tai, kickboxing etc. Spelling is most likely fubar but you get the point. ...I still think biting should be a thing. If I'm in a street brawl, fighting for my life, you gonna get bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmole Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 Will there be a video tonight? Just posted my latest contraption on twitter, link in previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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