Hek Harris Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 One thing that many players do not seem to understand or want to understand is that 7 days to die, despite all its qualities, had a real problem of appeal for many players: the graphical aspect. I have attracted a lot of players in this game, but for some I have never been able, because the graphics displeased them. Myself, the first time I started the game 4 years ago, I had to ignore the visual aspect of the game: it was ugly, definitely ugly. Fortunately for me, I persevered, discovered the forum and creators very involved in the development and I took the time to discover extraordinary gameplay and promises that were all held. But commercially speaking, TFP had to change that. And they did it: currently it's a beautiful voxel game. Textures, lights, assets, all this has been reworked and the game is now much more immersive. But this comes with a price. 1) Some configurations can not run the game correctly because the optimization will come only at the end of the development, 2) Some features we like are removed from the game because they are too resources greedy. I remain convinced that many of these features will come back, once the problems of fps falls resolved. 3) The requirements for a larger map, more zombies or other hardwarophage calculations (I like neologisms) are not relevant and should be postponed. Patience is the key word. As Alpha Testers, I think we need to be tolerant and understanding. It is a slow process. Attacking TFP about the fact they regularly redo entire parts of the game is the symptom of our lack of knowledge of the work of artists. We are fortunate to have a team that takes its time, refines the details, is able to challenge themselves and stays tuned to its community of players. How many devs would have already given up in front of waves of rage that have followed many changes (Roland has made the list here and it's as comical as tragic) ? How many devs would have released the game as it is to move on an other game and no longer have to be insulted and demolished as it's the case now? I read many posts that had the flavour of rage and despair. All this is excessive. Some players want to appear more passionate than the devs themselves. It's a little ridiculous: if you don't like it at that point, do it yourself. Respecting creation is essential. Understanding that as players we're generally not aware of the constraints of such a development is essential. Providing help, advice, constructive remarks is essential. The rest is counter-productive, often childish, always destructive. It's up to us to express our expectations politely and respectfully. Those who want everything immediately will be the first responsible for a sloppy realization by putting pressure on a team that has always been passionate about its own game. Finally, we are fortunate in having a excellent moderation. I am admin of two forums (thank god, no game forums). I am certainly not famous for being a very diplomatic admin / moderator, but I can assure you that the life expectancy of many contributors would have been drastically reduced after 3 or 4 posts as contemptuous and deconstructive. Here they can flood all topics ad nauseam. They should take this opportunity to improve their social skills. It's never too late to stop being an arrogant and aggressive player. Let's try that. AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PLAY WITHOUT HUD, YOU STUPID DEVS, MAKE IT POSSIBLE ASAP OR I'LL KILL A PUPPY. Sorry, have to take my pills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalarro Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I have to disagree. Sure, there may be some harsh posts against them. But I havent seen many and the few Ive seen arent that bad, nothing close to AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PLAY WITHOUT HUD, YOU STUPID DEVS, MAKE IT POSSIBLE ASAP OR I'LL KILL A PUPPY. On the other hand, Ive seen several responses of thedevs, which sounded quite smug, sarcastic and/or condesdendent. Sometimes answers to post which werent in a right tone, but other times, even to total normal feedback. So no, I dont think this forum has terrible trolls compared to most gaming forums, and on the other hand, devs behave a little bit worse than in other forums. But I must also add, that they are much more active in this forums than other devs, which I appreciate, Id even say those condescendent posts are worth as long as they dont keep us in the dark EDIT: about the graphics, I dont care about graphics. Well, better graphics are cool sure, but not in spite of gamplay or content. I love terraria and its a 2d pixel game. Of course I love the graphics of RDR2, but I left that game half way and am playing 7d2d, am I not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyBlah Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Gameplay is greater than graphic fidelity. Please dont strip away even more zombies being active or the world being even more simplified to please people who want prettier graphics. And sorry but that list roland posted highlights somthing major: we have flip flopped on game mechanics every single alpha, this is not a studio that has a clearly defined vision for thier game or whats they wanted has changed over time. All those pretty graphics came at the expense of enemy count and depth of gameplay systems, il go back to cube voxels to get better gameplay anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katitof Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I got another 2 friends playing the game - initially they both were complaining about the graphics, but after being literally forced to play, they discovered the depth of the game and felt in love with it. Also, you can't have pretty graphics and fully destructible world, because that's not possible. Check out all the other fully destructible games. Its all either pixel art or cartoon graphics, 7d is as close to "realistic" you'll ever get in voxel game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hek Harris Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 I have to disagree. Sure, there may be some harsh posts against them. But I havent seen many and the few Ive seen arent that bad Too late, I killed a puppy. I could have quoted a lot of posts very agressive but I did'nt want to give them excessive visibility. Seems we didn't read the same topics or with the same conception of a peacefull dialogue. For the graphics, of course we don't care so much : we are those who bought the game when it was at the beginning. But reaching a wider audience is part of a company's obligations. And, as I wrote, I think a lot of features have been temporarily removed. but that's my opinion, and thinking the opposite seems to me equally acceptable. but after being literally forced to play, they discovered the depth of the game and felt in love with it I should have tried your method: does it require a gun, ropes, and a soundproof cellar ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalarro Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Seems we didn't read the same topics or with the same conception of a peacefull dialogue. Maybe Ive been too much around mmo forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyBlah Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Too late, I killed a puppy. I could have quoted a lot of posts very agressive but I did'nt want to give them excessive visibility. Seems we didn't read the same topics or with the same conception of a peacefull dialogue. For the graphics, of course we don't care so much : we are those who bought the game when it was at the beginning. But reaching a wider audience is part of a company's obligations. And, as I wrote, I think a lot of features have been temporarily removed. but that's my opinion, and thinking the opposite seems to me equally acceptable. What you are saying here is that improving graphics helps the game reach a larger audience... if this comes at the cost of the game having actual depth to its mechanics then its killing the golden goose, people are less likely to view 'this game is pretty' as a selling point if its followed by 'but its dumbed down to all hell'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hek Harris Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 What you are saying here is that improving graphics helps the game reach a larger audience... if this comes at the cost of the game having actual depth to its mechanics then its killing the golden goose, people are less likely to view 'this game is pretty' as a selling point if its followed by 'but its dumbed down to all hell'. It's absolutely not what I'm saying. Read my first post. But whatever, you are so hooked to your own wishes that it is impossible to have a debate with you. In general, I read you, I sigh because I have already read 20 times the same post from you, and I move on to something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scyris Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Meh, a real gamer wouldn't care too much about graphics if the game itself is alright. I personally find a lot of indie titles far better than AAA games because they are better in the right places: namely gameplay. Crosscode I recently started is one of the better action rpg's i've played in years and it looks graphically like a souped up snes game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 sure, attack the guy who wants HUDless gameplay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hek Harris Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Haha... in fact I invented this thing just for you to support me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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