Savage11 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I am curious how large everyone's base builds are now. I used to make large complexes that would be above and below ground and have bloodmoon horde killing areas. Now i just live in a box until horde night and go to my maze/trap area to ride the night out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poojam Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I am curious how large everyone's base builds are now. I used to make large complexes that would be above and below ground and have bloodmoon horde killing areas. Now i just live in a box until horde night and go to my maze/trap area to ride the night out. I haven't suffered through the leveling far enough long to unlock the perks to make stamina and harvesting damage adequate to gather sufficient materials to build a big base to find out it was a waste of time since they'll just point-focus one weak spot and tunnel in. Sorry for the run on sentence, but I felt it better illustrated my point and lack of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranzera Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I haven't suffered through the leveling far enough long to unlock the perks to make stamina and harvesting damage adequate to gather sufficient materials to build a big base to find out it was a waste of time since they'll just point-focus one weak spot and tunnel in. Sorry for the run on sentence, but I felt it better illustrated my point and lack of interest. I have, though I did it online with some folks that liked to party up for blood moon. That feels like cheating the system, but I'll tell you this.. It STILL feels like a slog to get there. I don't know how anyone does it offline. If I was playing offline, I would have already ditched A17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXBadDreamXx Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 itll be allright poojam...just ride it out...come play a game with me in the meantime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiote Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I haven't suffered through the leveling far enough long to unlock the perks to make stamina and harvesting damage adequate to gather sufficient materials to build a big base to find out it was a waste of time since they'll just point-focus one weak spot and tunnel in. Sorry for the run on sentence, but I felt it better illustrated my point and lack of interest. What a useless post. In my default settings game I am on day 27 and have been living and fighting BM from the large junkyard POI upgraded with primarily scrap iron, barbwire and iron bars. I haven't used a pickaxe so far this playthrough. Easily able to build up 1000s of Iron to build with using just Salvage Ops and a good wrench. 500 stacks of pipes fuel the forge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzHawkeye Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I haven't suffered through the leveling far enough long to unlock the perks to make stamina and harvesting damage adequate to gather sufficient materials to build a big base to find out it was a waste of time since they'll just point-focus one weak spot and tunnel in. Sorry for the run on sentence, but I felt it better illustrated my point and lack of interest. I'm not sure whether you'll consider it a positive or not, but it is quite easily possible to build a base in A17 that is very easily defended. Now, to be sure, that's "cheesing" (exploiting? taking advantage?) of current Zombie AI, but defendable bases exist in A17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXBadDreamXx Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 alot of us are upset and pretty salty about the changes , me included , everyone knows why...no sense rubbing salt into wounds by calling people out for being negative. lets all just try to support each other and ride this out. MadMole is a stand up dude and the fun pimps in general imo are all pretty fkn patient with our salty arses right now even tho im sure theyd love to tell us off now and then...and wed deserve it, they just keep chugging along and trying to give us bro hugs and calm us down till things get sorted. itll all be fine. lets just think of the fun times well be having new years eve with friends and family =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poojam Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I'm not sure whether you'll consider it a positive or not, but it is quite easily possible to build a base in A17 that is very easily defended. Now, to be sure, that's "cheesing" (exploiting? taking advantage?) of current Zombie AI, but defendable bases exist in A17. I'm sure there is. But I've read that it means tricking the zombie AI into stalling on a ramp or funneling through a maze of traps. Which is about as cheesy as it gets. One guy had a video where he just stood on a stack of wooden frames next to his mouse trap. - - - Updated - - - What a useless post. In my default settings game I am on day 27 and have been living and fighting BM from the large junkyard POI upgraded with primarily scrap iron, barbwire and iron bars. I haven't used a pickaxe so far this playthrough. Easily able to build up 1000s of Iron to build with using just Salvage Ops and a good wrench. 500 stacks of pipes fuel the forge. My big bases in A16 were typically over 100,000 reinforced concrete blocks, bedrock to skybox with ramparts, double moats, ringed & double claimed perimeter and successive drawbridge entrances. I wasn't defending against zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kattla Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Not so very large yet. Bottom floor is meatgrinder and courtyard , in reinforced concrete. Second floor is for repairing the meatgrinder during horde, in cobblestone. Third floor is living quarters and perimeter catwalks, in wood and flagstone. Meatgrinder (5 bladetraps) are triggered by motion sensor and triggerplates, to save power and reduce noise. Also placed the generator away from the living quarters to reduce it's noise. It's still a bit too small for my taste, but it does a very good job dealing with the hordes. Maybe i keep it as a horde base, and build a larger one somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiote Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Oh, Creative Mode. I misunderstood.... I think cm is still a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Deluxe Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Central tower (9x9) stand on a massive concrete foundation until bedrock Single player, so PVE, default settings 99,9% legit^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manni44 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Oh, Creative Mode. I misunderstood.... I think cm is still a thing. U never played pvp right ? well u missed alot of fun there. If some one says hes not building against zombies hes probably building against humans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage11 Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 [ATTACH=CONFIG]26720[/ATTACH] Not so very large yet. Bottom floor is meatgrinder and courtyard , in reinforced concrete. Second floor is for repairing the meatgrinder during horde, in cobblestone. Third floor is living quarters and perimeter catwalks, in wood and flagstone. Meatgrinder (5 bladetraps) are triggered by motion sensor and triggerplates, to save power and reduce noise. Also placed the generator away from the living quarters to reduce it's noise. It's still a bit too small for my taste, but it does a very good job dealing with the hordes. Maybe i keep it as a horde base, and build a larger one somewhere else. Central tower (9x9) stand on a massive concrete foundation until bedrock Single player, so PVE, default settings 99,9% legit^^ Nice. This is what I was looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyStar Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I intend to to a large one to prove that you can still build big in A17. Almost have the kinks worked out of my defense system. I'm not going to cheese the AI, I don't think it's needed. What I can say for sure is that if I'm going to build legit, I have to accept that it's going to take at least 50% longer. So what used to be a 60 day build is now going to take 90. That's fine by me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiote Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 U never played pvp right ? well u missed alot of fun there. If some one says hes not building against zombies hes probably building against humans Nope, I am a completely new player, A17 in. Which is why I have a hard time understanding all the salt. I'm a noob and have had no problem gaining what I consider ridiculous amounts of building material within first couple weeks. At least 200-300 reinforced concrete blocks, 200 Iron Bars and 18k scrap iron in the bank...... without using a pick. I'm sure a veteran dedicating time to gather could far outdo that on higher difficulty, if they can get past the salt.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergoros Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Nope, I am a completely new player, A17 in. Which is why I have a hard time understanding all the salt. I'm a noob and have had no problem gaining what I consider ridiculous amounts of building material within first couple weeks. At least 200-300 reinforced concrete blocks, 200 Iron Bars and 18k scrap iron in the bank...... without using a pick. I'm sure a veteran dedicating time to gather could far outdo that on higher difficulty, if they can get past the salt.... Question is for what? You can't defend against other players now, with 1 claim block limit. Zeds never been a real challenge and never will. No matter how big you build in current conditions, you would have to waste alot of time on repairs/resupply after every bloodmoon. What is the point in building a base that doesnt help you survive, but only makes surviving grindier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiote Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Question is for what? You can't defend against other players now, with 1 claim block limit. Zeds never been a real challenge and never will. No matter how big you build in current conditions, you would have to waste alot of time on repairs/resupply after every bloodmoon. What is the point in building a base that doesnt help you survive, but only makes surviving grindier? Agreed. I can assume the LCB limit is what would actually affect PVP-players more. However, my point is that it doesn't actually take a stupid amount of effort to gather the material if you use all the options available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Deluxe Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I intend to to a large one to prove that you can still build big in A17. Almost have the kinks worked out of my defense system. I'm not going to cheese the AI, I don't think it's needed. What I can say for sure is that if I'm going to build legit, I have to accept that it's going to take at least 50% longer. So what used to be a 60 day build is now going to take 90. That's fine by me! The problem is that as soon as you are on a server with at least allowed PVP you need to build different. Means you start your building underground on bedrock and have allready a more or less PVP safe base when you break through the surface. Since zombies dig thats impossible. At least i have no idea how i could do that. Imagine they dig through the frames that hold the soil layer above. I needed 6 Builds until this si was stable. If a zombie dig there down 100+ Hours of work are gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergoros Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Agreed. I can assume the LCB limit is what would actually affect PVP-players more. However, my point is that it doesn't actually take a stupid amount of effort to gather the material if you use all the options available. That was not his argument. His argument was that there is no point. You only waste time. Basically, builders have received many heavy nerfs in this version. Making it almost unplayable for them. You can build a base, yes. But instead of being a heavy fortified fortress, it would be a paper castle, that you would have to be watching over 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reth Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I am curious how large everyone's base builds are now. I used to make large complexes that would be above and below ground and have bloodmoon horde killing areas. Now i just live in a box until horde night and go to my maze/trap area to ride the night out. You can still build big bases in A17, you just have to dedicate a section of it to defense only. My current defense area is essentially a long corridor with barbed wire on the lower section of both walls. I use mostly range as stamina drain is too severe for straight melee. I'll switch to melee if/when stamina drain ceases to be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalarro Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I am curious how large everyone's base builds are now. I used to make large complexes that would be above and below ground and have bloodmoon horde killing areas. Now i just live in a box until horde night and go to my maze/trap area to ride the night out. I refuse to build mazes and path exploiting defenses. I still build perimeter fortresses, bc I like it. It just feels like a total waste since 95% of my base and defenses gets not used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyStar Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 The problem is that as soon as you are on a server with at least allowed PVP you need to build different. Means you start your building underground on bedrock and have allready a more or less PVP safe base when you break through the surface. Since zombies dig thats impossible. At least i have no idea how i could do that. Imagine they dig through the frames that hold the soil layer above. I needed 6 Builds until this si was stable. If a zombie dig there down 100+ Hours of work are gone Oh PvP is a whooooole other can of worms and I'm not going anywhere near that in A17 for now. I never even considered it in A16 till it hit 16.3 so..... probably do the same in A17. Just not worth the frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Deluxe Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Nothings better than playing Death is Death on a PVP allowed server ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manni44 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Nothings better than playing Death is Death on a PVP allowed server ^^ at least on A13- a14 good old times. i hope they drop the A17.1 soon so we can maybe start building again on pvp servers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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