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  1. Ok look, you wanna play around with words and split hairs... Guy says the game is based on a certain genre and is being told its not, based on factual info. Guy keeps denying and warns he will maintain his statement even facing evidence that he's wrong. Yes he is. And that's confronting what's been established. One can question non-stop that they think the Earth is flat but when being shown its factually not, its unnecessary to keep stating the opposite and confronting the facts. I never declared or implied there's a 7DTD holy church where we burn heretics at the stake for not believing something, so, please, cool it down. You dont need to create and holy church of Round Earth to state the fact that its round. Lastly, i dont ask to be excused because i dont have much patience for the behavior of TC. I just explained why i have the tone i have, not justifying it to allow myself to talk the way i talk : i'll say what i wanna say, just like he did, or like you do. Can you get this, at least? I dont know if you do this to tilt people for your amusement? I dont see why you pretend to not see how the TC acts or respond when he's clearly wrong about how Rick and Joel establish their own game. Or why you attempt to turn things around so im kinda the bad guy now lol. But whatever, this is still going nowhere, further than necessary. This topic shouldnt have gone beyond the moment the TC has been shut down. Oh no, that's right, he's not really wrong, according to you. Guess this is far from over! But as far as im concerned, it is for me.
  2. No. Again. I said that i've seen so much @%$# going on online against the Pimps that when i see someone confrontational and denying the evidence, i dont have much patience. Not that he's an @%$#s like the ones that plague the Facebook page. Im talking about me and my short fuse, in the first place. English isnt my first language (french is) and although i can very well follow and take part to a discussion, maybe the formulation of my sentences can be misleading? Im trying to be as clear as possible. Back to TC's struggle to get a point : if its only "academic" for him, why keep being confrontational when being told the evidence? He's been answered something 100% credible and verifiable to his question. He should just go like "Oh, i see, i was wrong in my assumptions. I maintain my own perception of the game but i understand that the founders have the last word about what their own game is". I dunno, something like that, instead of acting like a stubborn brat "No, i wont take it and i'll keep asking until i get THE answer that pleases me and until i hear what i wanna hear!" I take way less @%$# than before with the morons on the Facebook page than before. But i do take the game, the work Rick, Joel and the team does to make it what it is right now close to the heart and it both saddens and @%$# me off to see people acting like dicks. That's why i have that kinda of speech. Like in life in general, when you're being told the factual obvious, you stfu, acknowledge you've been wrong and move the @%$# on. Keep asking the question that's now made pointless wont change the result...
  3. Im talking about the insults i see plenty on the 7DTD Facebook publications, not here. TC didnt insult anyone here but he came across borderline being insolent, afaic. Roland is not omniscient regarding what Rick and Joel really had in mind back then, you're right, but we can all agree that if he reports something that the founders said about the game, its a pretty well credible statement. I dont think he would make things up just to sustain his point, he clearly doesnt look like that. Indeed, doesnt really matter what came up first, if its a single genre or three of them at once, as far as the question is only that. But what we know is that the Pimps mentioned three concepts and i dont see why someone would make a fuzz about this being an issue, even more when that person claims that every update messes up what the game should be and that its confusing and whatnot. Which is completely false. This is pointless, dumb and really a non-issue. TC is going nowhere with all this.
  4. Why do you apoligize? You dont have to, but you do you. The person who should apoligize in the first place should be the TC. Indeed, there's absolutely nothing wrong with discussing what defines 7DTD. But when a smartass barges in and claim he knows better than the very guys from whom the game came to life, who elevates his speculations as facts, its kinda @%$#ing annoying. Like its not enough, he doubles down by keeping denying the evidence after being told so from a sure source. He's wasting our time and his own. I've read so much about people giving @%$# to the Pimps, for the most imbecile reasons, that i guess i dont have a large patience gauge anymore. Whatever. Not sorry.
  5. Ok TC what are you trying to prove here with that arrogant attitude? Is your life so boring that you need to argue about something upon which you've made no gains whatsoever since you posted that topic? Roland is among the most knowledgeable persons who are in direct contact with the very founders of this game and you keep nagging him about what's true or not. Do you realize how exceptional it is to have such detailed pieces of info available on a video game and how the developers conduct said game, from core game design concepts to how it happens for the users? You've been given answers in the most formal and factual form possible and you still stubbornly @%$# about it. You said that you'll let slide whatever people are telling you about the way you should take the game on, in other words you dont like poeple telling you how to think, or thinking at your place, yet your act exactly that way towards the devs. Check your contradictions, champ. Get off your high horses and put a lid on it. The game's been said to be a playable form of The Walking Dead by the founders and if you take it literaly, it is a playable Walking Dead. Survival horror, like the characters dwelve into. Tower-defense, like they do at the Prison and in Alexandria. And RPG, because most of the main characters are proefficient in a particular skillset or field of knowledge. So there you go, three bases that defines 7DTD.
  6. Let me help you on this. Oh its nothing, dont mention it 😉 "7 Days to Die is an open-world game that is a unique combination of first person shooter, survival horror, tower defense, and role-playing games." There you go. This is what the developers decided for their game. Its a combination of genres and there isnt one that's really dominating another. You are legitimately free to speculate as much as you want about what you think the game is, but you wont have the last word on that point, the devs do. This is how they want their game to be and you or anyone else is in position to lecture them about it or think in their place. Have fun!
  7. I can only assume that governmental buildings will be jam-packed with loads of Sleepers who dont do jack@%$# and dont react unless you make some noise. Just like in real life governmental buildings.
  8. This isnt really a problem from the game, its just that you now know how it works and you exploit the game design at your advantage. Its just a normal process and assurance that we acquire over time, in any game of the genre. They still come from all sides, it just depends on the type of base you have. Case in point, you can watch the Lockdown series from Glock9. He made his horde base in the vanilla prison and although he has an open entry point on the front, the Zs came from various sides and angles and he had to adapt. I also was afraid of going out at night during my early 7DTD sessions and i couldnt deal with Zs coming from all sides because my horde base setup was deficient. Nowadays, just like you, im comfortable whatever the situation is and my adaptation capacity is much sharper than before. But Darkness Falls can flip that up quite intensily, trust me on that. Its almost like you have to learn how to play, all over again.
  9. That's great! Can this mod be installed as stand alone?
  10. Can we just stick to Navezgane, on Earth? Its hard enough to program and stabilize an entirely destructible map, yet people still aren't happy and now ask to go for the entire solar system and beyond 😆 Please folks, inform yourself better about video game production and understand how complex it is. Or else, you could create your own extra-planetary mod?
  11. That's pretty much what happens in Darkness Falls. You at least get radiated zombies, and some ferals, during the very first night of a game.
  12. But nothing can be done to the Pimps in that sense. They dont sell a game that's not functional or disfunctional, its working and advertised as such. Plus, the game beneficiates from its early-access status. Cyberpunk 2077 was said to be working fine (on PS4/XBox1) when it wasnt.
  13. The Polish authorities went down on CDPR because of false advertising, basically. You cant sell a product that's not functional when its been advertised like it is. This offense is taken more seriously over there.
  15. First World problems... 😆 Skills and Perks all have a description. Just... read. But then you complain there's too much words. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Sorting our loot is part of the game. Given the situation you're in a survival mode, you'd have to gather all sorts of items and resources and you'd have to sort it all. They already added a button to send to chest all similar items that are already in them. So it actually pretty much does what you want. Wanna have all 9mm and Pipe Bombs together? Put just one of each in the storage and next time you bring some more, just click that magic button and it'll send it all and stack stuff for you. You have a tooltip that appears when you go over the icon with your mouse. But yeah, its too much words again i guess. If the simplistic 7DTD skill tree bothers you that much, dont ever play Cyberpunk 2077. You'll probably get nosebleed-inducing seizures 🤣
  16. Being passionate about the game isnt a problem. The problem is accusing the devs of something they didnt do and blaming them for something they have no control anymore. The problem is criticizing their work and creative process without knowing jack@%$# about how its conducted. The problem is ignorance and failure to acknowledge that, being stubborn and persisting into pushing your wrongful claims, even after being shown plain and clear evidence that you dont know what you're talking about. The gesture is pointless and will not change anything about the situation.
  17. ***DISCLAIMER : we're discussing things that are referred to real-life situations here. For those who lose their @%$# everytime something like this is mentioned, just keep moving and pretend you didnt see this thread. And yes, we know zombies dont exist. Thanks.*** I did thought about this once. Personally, the only vehicle we should be able to pick is the Bicycle, because that can be done in a realistic way, just like in real life. Without a proper game design adjustment, we could just self-impose the challenge of never pick up any motorized vehicle. But im wondering here : you argue that picking up the 4x4 and putting it in your pocket doesnt make sense but setting up a station where it would be automatically refueled and repaired kinda contradict your idea, no? Such station is a cool idea in itself but i think those tasks should still be done manually by the survivor.
  18. I understand what you're saying, but that's not my point. My point is, as naive as it can sound, is that the Pimps achieved something that few big major developers could ever do, with far more means and tools than the Pimps have. The 7DTD community still plays a game that's 8 years old and after every Alpha, the community grows and the game get much more appeal. The game isnt even finished yet and its considered a cornerstone in the genre. Im saying that its a shame that the Pimps are being given that much @%$# by people, because those haters can't see the achievement i mentioned above, or they do see but choose to be dicks, when they should be humble and stop being dicks. They should stop giving that much @%$#. The video game industry is brutal, the competition is unforgiving. Studios shut down the following day without notice. CD Projekt Red got it in the nuts really hard btw. Great game concepts are developed over months and get canned for X reasons and the staff is laid off like they're leftovers. And gamers hate that when this happen. We get attached to some games and franchises and devs, and get @%$#ed off when it just vanishes, like we are given the finger. Yet, the Pimps are still rolling well and sound, with, again, much less power than bigger players in the business and to see that they're given so much crap is a shame and quite frustrating. People should just stop that imbecile attitude. I admire smaller, underdogs who are still going strong in such barbaric business. Sure, there will always people complaining and @%$#ing, i realize that im too idealistic. Yet, this is still the truth. I've been playing video games since about 35 years now, this always have been my main hobby and i did see the evolution of it all, particularly watching capitalism running it like we see today. And i cant accept that devs like the Pimps, or any other indie developers for that matter, get to suffer from such insane criticism. Its ok, it doesnt keep me from sleeping at night and neither does it keep the Pimps from living their dream as well, hahaha! But the reality is that too many people are ignorant and entitled, its affecting the business negatively and this has to cool the @%$# off a bit. Im rambling way too much now lol. But im saying, if we wanna keep our hobby healthy enough, we have to stick our heads off our asses and come to sense that some people, read artists, just wanna make our lives nicer. The hate is currently going way overboard right now. I guess its the aspect of interactivity that video games bring that give the hater the impression that they have a legitimate right to give @%$#, that something is due to them?
  19. You know what, i changed my mind. Moderators, dont lock or delete this topic. Its way too satisfying to see the OP being demolished and dismantled like this. Pure joy. Thank you guys 👌 I think im going to print this and get it @%$#ing laminated for posterity.
  20. I dont mind this. A topic like that is a complex one and sooner or later, there can be people who drift a bit from the main thread, since there's so many points discussed and involved. My intention was to survey what do people think about the issue i mentioned, more on a moral standpoint than the legal side of it, although i do appreciate the input of some people about that legal aspect. I enjoy reading the replies and i believe everyone's take about the subject is important. Even the one from those who are going the other way from the majority, like Viktoriusiii, who's demonstrating the kind of mentality i think is fundamentaly flawed and that i was talking about initially. He/She delivers his/her point way less aggressively and with more respect than what i observe on Facebook though. Its important to know that there's people who think this way because its a golden opportunity to rectify that mentality, which is rooted in ignorance for the most part, with verifiable and documented data, facts and info. Just like you did Roland, with your replies on Saturday during the night. This embodies everything that there's to know about the creative and PR approach of the Pimps. It couldnt be clearer and is the most constructive answer to my initial question so far and beyond. As an overview of the whole thing, i think its a shame that indie developers have to deal with this bull@%$# when they bust their asses with far more limited resources than major studios. We see the laters launch AAA titles that are plagued with bugs, for 90$, and some of those flaws are easily a result of an amateur, rushed and careless job (hello Bethesda, Ubisoft and CD Projekt Red). People today are used to have lots of games being released in rapid sequence, on multi-platform. Seeing an indie dev like TFP, who takes its time to build a good game, over years, raise suspicion because it creates a loud contrast with many big titles that come out every 2 years, with sequels. This, i guess, gives the impression, mostly for the haters, that TFP are taking their sweet time, do the minimum required to give the impression they're "working" on something and call it a day, racking up the money. Which of course is monumentaly far from what those haters imagine. And when the Pimps dare to talk about that damn Twitch integration, then the entitled folks burst with anger and stupidity. For them, its a confirmation that the devs dont work on important stuff... Its not because you can directly talk to a lead designer, through social medias, that they have to submit to your input or worse, to your entitlement and insults. Video games are an art. Like any other of the seven previous forms of art. You dont ask a singer or a film maker to do like you want, you dont lecture them about their craft when you dont know the reality of it. So its the same for video games.
  21. you're all outnumbered by satisfied players who are still enjoying the game. "Time for answers"? I just told you you have all the answers here, Einstein. @Roland, @meganoth, any other moderators, can you lock this polluting topic up? Thank you very much 🙏
  22. You're on the official discussion board of the game where ALL the info about what happened to the console version because of Telltale, why it happened and what the Pimps want to do for console version once the PC version is done is available. And yet, you come up here to insult the devs and think you'll get away with it? Real genius move. Im so happy to tell you that this will never work in your favor, you can solidly count on it. Go away, never come back.
  23. A common fallacy from a lot of entitled people is that they believe they own a game because they paid for it and therefore, the devs of such game become the mere servants of those who "own" it and must abide to each of their ordres. From what i know, you dont own a game, nor the intellectual property, when you give money for it. You pay for a right to play that game, if i can put it roughly. Correct me if im wrong. The @%$# storm that happened these last weeks, and also today, when the 7DTD Facebook page posts about the Twitch integration, and the upcoming livestream about it, tends to unleash a horde (lol) of ignorant and entitled people who give an awful amount of crap to the Pimps. Its pathetic to a level that science didnt discovered yet. I know im not the only one to see this. Its either that or the damn console/Telltale debacle that i think i wont see the end of it while im alive. "The Pimps only work on this @%$#ing Twitch thing and they should focus their resources on REAL content" "They didnt deliver anything promised. Case in point, the game is still in Alpha and we'll never see a full release" "The Pimps screwed us all on console and let us down. Its their fault, they shouldnt have cut a deal with Telltale blah blah blah" The minute i reply to one of them (yes, i know, i shouldnt waste my stamina with this) that the Pimps dont owe anything to anyone, i get served the same insanities, ranging from they dont know how to work and of course, as mentioned, "they owe us a complete game!". I know i'll be told that the devs indeed dont owe @%$# to anyone and i do know that. Still, im curious to know what's your opinion about the responsibilities a game developer has toward the community, good or bad, that support their titles and what's the extent of such responsibilities, where are the limits, where does it stop.
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